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"and not everyone would say that imperialism and nationalism are necessarily evil."
Yikes. Their defending imperialism
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Imperialism apologia is definitely a red flag, and their edits to YMMV.Them 2021 falls in line with the anti-SJW behavior of opposing works that address systemic racism on black people. It's a clear case of shoving a political agenda onto a page where it doesn't belong.
Edited by DivineFlame100
Also, Broken Base is not "some people like this show and other people hate it". And they made a change to the Complete Monster entry that is almost certainly not authorized, given that they have no forum posts.
Edited by Serac
Yeah, I wouldn’t even call those just red flags; they’re all obviously biased and seriously concerning.
EDIT: Found some even more really concerning edits:
- In January, they combined
two entries (presumably for Acceptable Political Targets) into one. What makes this concerning is that one of them was about “Social Justice Warriors”, and the other was about literal Nazis. They already deleted the bit that mentioned that “Trigger Warning”, the episode in which “Social Justice Warriors” were made fun in, later received Creator Backlash.
- I shouldn’t even have to explain what’s wrong with this edit on Evil Laugh.
"I'm not trying to be partisan; don't shoot the messenger."
OK, they know exactly what they're doing, whether they're trolling or genuinely believe all this.
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The Torchwood change definitely needs to get reverted given that Torchwood was racist against aliens (you might make the argument that it's more accurately described as speciesism but that's a separate conversation). The imperialism apologia is absolutely a giant red flag.
Do I have a consensus on reverting the Torchwood change?
Edited by Shaoken
Please, please revert it.
Is what they said about Mockingbird even true? I can't recall the book ever showing bigotry from "both sides". I might be nitpicking, but this sort of detail matters if they're going to be making claims like this.
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Guy lost me at "Woke Identity Politics at the expense of good storytelling" and "others say that it’s degradation porn and others think it’s just Woke shit"...I may be brutally honest, but not even I write like that.
Aside from being nauseatingly Anti-SJWish to a reactionary level, this is just flat out Complaining About Shows You Don't Like. If you haven't already, you got my support in taking these down.
Edited by Stardust5099
@War Jay 77 I'm pretty sure Mockingbird actually only shows anti-Black discrimination.
Also, the user we're discussing here made an entry on Tessa Thompson's page linking Immediate Self-Contradiction to the actress saying she doesn't consider herself bisexual despite liking both men and women.
Apparently Pansexuality doesn't exist, I guess. Or any other sexualities for that matter.
Yeah. Houston, we have a problem.
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None of the black characters are ever racist towards the white characters in Mockingbird, that seems to be something they completely made up. They also potholed a real person to Boomerang Bigot (on the assumption that "Karen" is a racist/sexist term), despite it being NRLEP.
Edited by TheMountainKing
Oh. It's one of those people. Joy.
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They could mean "either side of the aisle" as in "left-wing and right-wing can both be racist," but the entry isn't very clear about that and the rest of their entries about "woke shit" leave me uncomfortable. I was surprised to see that they actually edit other subpages for Them seemingly in good faith.
v Honestly I don't even know if they do — some sequels/adaptations of TKAM do a "progressive people could be racist too" thing with Atticus but it's not really reliant on red/blue politics.
Edited by mightymewtron I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
^ When do left-right politics come up in To Kill a Mockingbird? Or X-men?
Edited by TheMountainKing
Without derailing this too much, you asked something similar on the OBC thread, TMK, and I need to point out that left-wing politics aren't just "socialism". Pretty much anything people consider "liberal" nowadays generally falls on the left-wing political spectrum, if only because conservatives are heavily right-wing. So "left-wing" politics can be anything from "Seize the Means of Production" to "Hey, maybe feminism and social justice are good things". At least, this is true from an American perspective, which these examples seem to be written from.
In other words, it's not worth being this pedantic about it.
Edited by WarJay77 Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
^ This is completely disconnected from that discussion. If there were characters in Mockingbird who had defined options on say, FDR and the New Deal, then I would agree that there were left and right wing characters. But To Kill a Mockingbird deliberately doesn't make its discussion of racism a matter of explicit politics, it's purely a moral struggle of racist vs. not racist, never right vs. left. so saying "there are left-wing characters in Mockingbird who are racist" is meaningless, because their only politics is racist or not.
Edited by TheMountainKing
Let's end this discussion as it's completely irrelevant and the point is that they're obviously using these pages to, at best, play devil's advocate to push certain political views where it isn't necessary, like misusing Broken Base to complain about "woke shit."
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Should we call them in here?
Probably best to have the mods suspend them and bring them in for a chat. They are editting with an agenda against the rules at least.
I've reverted the Torchwood edit.
^ Careful. Language like that can be considered mini-modding.
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Yeah War Jay 77's right; Only a mod can call someone in to a forum post. Users cannot do that to other users.
I was responding to Shaoken...
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Fair points. I don't think this troper is going to be receptive to having a talk about things, looking at the Torchwood page they wrote a full paragraph basically reading "yes the character basically raped someone but the writers didn't intend that so here's why it's not rape." Paraphrasing and perhaps being unfair I'll admit. I'd also like to revert that bit if people don't have an objection.
Just as I suspected, TV Tropes has become nauseatingly Woke and pro-SJW. I didn't realise I was editing a wiki that was controlled by Alt-Left trolls but it seems I am.
"Fair points. I don't think this troper is going to be receptive to having a talk about things, looking at the Torchwood page they wrote a full paragraph basically reading "yes the character basically raped someone but the writers didn't intend that so here's why it's not rape." Paraphrasing and perhaps being unfair I'll admit. I'd also like to revert that bit if people don't have an objection."
I KNOW you're not suggesting that me pointing out that a bit of bad writing does not necessitate rape apologism, makes me a rape apologist.
Sorry, I'm just flicking through this discussion and I don't know whether to laugh or be sick. It's like reading through the fever swamps of Tumblr.
"Agenda-based editing."
Pot, kettle, oh are we allowed to say that anymore?
... triggered, mate?
... and do you really not see the difference between "breaking editing rules in order to bitch about wokeness" and "... not that"?
Edited by Larkmarn Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.
Lark, don't respond to him. He's trolling.
Let the moderation take care of this.
And yes, To Kill A Mockingbird shows that black people can be racist as well, as shown by the character of Lula who doesn't want Scout and Jem in the First Purchase Church just because they're white. X-Men shows mutants fighting back against racist humans but it shows that humans can be nice and that mutants can be racist too, which makes sense because Professor X is based on MLK and Magneto is based on Malik al-Shabbaz, who was an anti-white racist, just as he's an anti-human racist. I was adding balance into pages but of course, due to the fact that anything remotely centrist is considered "right-wing" these days, because liberals are so heavily left-wing, anybody who tries to do so gets cancelled, as we see from the heinous abuse JK Rowling gets on Twitter just for pointing out that a man can't become a woman any more than a monkey can become a pig when she's a perfectly lovely liberal lady who's only ever fought for everyone's equal rights. We're living through the most racist misogynistic period of my lifetime thanks to Woke identity politics and white women get the worst of it, thanks to TR As, hate groups like Antifa and BLM and bigoted memes like Karen, as I perfectly stated on the YMMV page for Them, a great tv show which still has its flaws. "Trigger Warning", the finest episode of Hellsing Abridged showcased this perfectly by pointing out that Nazis/the Alt-Right and so-called SJ Ws are not so different and the absolute moral cowardice of the creators in disowning it shows how far we have fallen as a culture and means that I will absolutely never watch anything by Team Four Star again, at least not now that DBZ Abridged is over. No, Torchwood aren't racist in the strict sens of the term as people of colour work in their organisation, they're speciecist as someone sensibly pointed out further up the page. And no, not everyone would say that imperialism and nationalism are bad things. I personally think nationalism IS a bad thing but I'm all for Western imperialism. So yes, maybe I am a bit agenda-biased but don't act like you people aren't. Go ahead. Block me if you want to. I might have known TV Tropes was run by the Woke Thought Police, I mean the fact that you deleted an article on Pol Pot for being "too negative" was a massive red flag as well as the mods, self-appointed Captain Vidals/Umbridges/Creedys famously unpersoning and black-bagging anyone who so much as puts a foot wrong, as has been discussed elsewhere online. Just look at the reviews for 1984 ffs.
I'm sorry but I don't think this site is as safe a space for you as you need.
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.
I don't need a safe space, I'm tough.
Recommend not encouraging them and request mod lock if needed.
Edited by Tuvok
^^ And now you're torched. Not so tough after all.
Go ahead and revert whatever needs to be reverted.
The Audience-Alienating Premise, Broken Base, and Unfortunate Implications entries on THEM (2021) have been reverted, as well as the Torchwood entry. Are there any others we need to revert?
Edited by Shadow8411
One more Torchwood entry needs to get reverted, I can handle that after I get home from work.
The other Torchwood entry has been reverted by someone else, but thanks anyway. Also, I reverted an edit they made yesterday that has the edit reason "May as well get some final edits in before I'm unpersonned", because they weren't trying to help the wiki, they were just trying to spew their opinions one more time while they had the chance.
I don't normally do this, but given how problematic the troper in question is, I felt it was necessary.
Edit: The unapproved changes they made to the Complete Monster entry have also been reverted, and this thread has been cited as a source).
Edited by Shadow8411
Malcolm Crown added these to the most recent edit on the YMMV.Them 2021 page:
They also added this to the Unfortunate Implications part:
Their edit reason was: "Much as I love the show, it's not above criticism." No citations for their Unfortunate Implications and violating the 6-month wait rule for Broken Base aside, the "woke shit", "woke identity politics" phrasing and seeing Betty's storyline as racist towards white women are rather concerning.
I've also checked their edit history and I'm not sure what to make of it since I'm not familiar with these other works, but I've also found an edit on YMMV.Torchwood that removes mention of Torchwood being believers in "extreme imperialistic and racist British nationalism" to just "extreme nationalism", with the edit reason being "Torchwood are never shown to be racist and not everyone would say that imperialism and nationalism are necessarily evil."
Outside of that, their other edits including on the other Series.Them 2021 pages seem fine, but these still feel like red flags.
Edited by CommanderVisor