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As per Outdated Administrivia thread proposal
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Generally, moderators can hook crowners on any thread, even outside of IP or TRS. Sometimes crowners are used in non-Workshop parts of the fora, usually to allow people to vote on something without having the obligation to post. Depending upon the purpose of the crowner, the requirements may vary from those of the generic Workshop crowner.
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Depending upon the purpose of
'''However, there are also some scenarios where we actively avoid crowners.''' These are often cases where we prefer to avoid anonymous voting. Crowners are not normally used for:
* '''Proposed examples for the MagnificentBastard and CompleteMonster tropes.''' These tropes use a forum thread approval process, with manual voting to minimise misuse. Votes are not anonymous.
* '''TropeLaunchPad (TLP), which has its own system of hats and bombs.''' Hats and bombs, which aren't anonymous, are used to determine whether or not a new trope is ready to launch. TLP may still use crowners for other decisions, such as trope name choices.
* '''The [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/conversations.php?topic=5p Content Violation Discussions]] (CVD) sub-forum'''. CVD does not use crowners or anonymous voting. These decisions need to be based on Administrivia/TheContentPolicy, not popularity.
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Locked as per this forum post
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Engineers can also handle TRS and IP thread management, so updating this since I somehow neglected to update the page to account for this despite editing it last month
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After an update, regular tropers are no longer able to create crowners; only mods have access to the crowner creation tool. It is unknown when or if tropers other than the staff will be able to make crowners again. For now, if a thread needs voting, list out the options in a post (by clicking on the little ellipsis icon all the way to the right) and send a holler for that post to ask a mod to make the crowner for you.
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After an update, regular tropers are no longer able to create crowners; only [[Administrivia/KnowTheStaff mods and engineers]] have access to the crowner creation tool. It is unknown when or if tropers other than the staff will be able to make crowners again. For now, if a thread needs voting, list out the options in a post (by clicking on the little ellipsis icon all the way to the right) and send a holler for that post to ask a mod to make the crowner for you.
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If you think that a crowner has reached a consensus or if you are unsure, feel free to holler and ask the staff if it is time for the crowner to be closed. If a moderator agrees they will call the crowner and suggest that people start getting to work.
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If you think that a crowner has reached a consensus or if you are unsure, feel free to holler and ask the staff if it is time for the crowner to be closed. If a moderator or engineer agrees they will call the crowner and suggest that people start getting to work.
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The current situation has been current for two years, so I think people are used to the new system enough that there's no longer any need to specify that the current system is current
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!How crowners are made (current situation)
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!How crowners are made (current situation)made
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I figured that this was worth a mention, as I didn't know where it was at first.
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After an update, regular tropers are no longer able to create crowners; only mods have access to the crowner creation tool. It is unknown when or if tropers other than the staff will be able to make crowners again. For now, if a thread needs voting, list out the options in a post and send a holler for that post to ask a mod to make the crowner for you.
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After an update, regular tropers are no longer able to create crowners; only mods have access to the crowner creation tool. It is unknown when or if tropers other than the staff will be able to make crowners again. For now, if a thread needs voting, list out the options in a post (by clicking on the little ellipsis icon all the way to the right) and send a holler for that post to ask a mod to make the crowner for you.
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The crowner should run until it stabilizes and there is a consensus. There is no strict set maximum or minimum number of days that a A crowner has to stay open, but as a general rule of thumb, they should normally stay open for at least Administrivia/{{three day|Rule}}s and should not be closed until there is a clear consensus. If the change is a major one (like the renaming of a whole namespace), you need at least one week. Crowners have timestamps in their headers, so check them if you aren't sure whether enough time has passed.
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The crowner should run until it stabilizes and there is a consensus. There is no strict set maximum or minimum number of days that a A crowner has to stay open, but as a general rule of thumb, they should normally stay open for at least Administrivia/{{three day|Rule}}s and should not be closed until there is a clear consensus. If the change is a major one (like the renaming of a whole namespace), you need at least one week. Crowners have timestamps in their headers, so check them if you aren't sure whether enough time has passed.
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The crowner should run until it stabilizes and there is a consensus. There is no maximum amount of time a crowner should stay open, but one should normally stay open for at least Administrivia/{{three day|Rule}}s and should not be closed until there is a clear consensus. If the change is a major one (like the renaming of a whole namespace), you need at least one week. Crowners have timestamps in their headers, so check them if you aren't sure whether enough time has passed.
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The crowner should run until it stabilizes and there is a consensus. There is no strict set maximum amount or minimum number of time days that a A crowner should has to stay open, but one as a general rule of thumb, they should normally stay open for at least Administrivia/{{three day|Rule}}s and should not be closed until there is a clear consensus. If the change is a major one (like the renaming of a whole namespace), you need at least one week. Crowners have timestamps in their headers, so check them if you aren't sure whether enough time has passed.
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Adding "historical" record of when crowners were used.
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Crowners are a tool for measuring consensus for a decision on the wiki. The name is an ArtifactTitle from when they were used to determine Crowning examples of YMMV items like SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome. Interested tropers can choose to vote in them by clicking on the up or down arrows next to each option. You may vote for multiple options and revert your vote if you change your mind, but you obviously can only select up or down for each choice.
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Crowners are a tool for measuring consensus for a decision on the wiki. The name is an ArtifactTitle from when they were used to determine [[http://web.archive.org/web/20090220022005/https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/crown_activity.php determine]] Crowning examples of YMMV items like SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome. Interested tropers can choose to vote in them by clicking on the up or down arrows next to each option. You may vote for multiple options and revert your vote if you change your mind, but you obviously can only select up or down for each choice.
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Added that new tropers can’t vote on crowners :(
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New tropers can’t vote on crowners until their accounts are two weeks old.
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Adding the part about there being no maximum amount of time back since that's still true
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The crowner should run until it stabilizes and there is a consensus. A crowner should normally stay open for at least Administrivia/{{three day|Rule}}s and should not be closed until there is a clear consensus. If the change is a major one (like the renaming of a whole namespace), you need at least one week. Crowners have timestamps in their headers, so check them if you aren't sure whether enough time has passed.
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The crowner should run until it stabilizes and there is a consensus. A There is no maximum amount of time a crowner should stay open, but one should normally stay open for at least Administrivia/{{three day|Rule}}s and should not be closed until there is a clear consensus. If the change is a major one (like the renaming of a whole namespace), you need at least one week. Crowners have timestamps in their headers, so check them if you aren't sure whether enough time has passed.
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Changing this as well because three days is the minimum for TRS (aside from Not Thriving threads, but that's something I came up myself and not something from the early days of TRS)
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The crowner should run until it stabilizes and there is a consensus. There is no strict set maximum or minimum number of days that a crowner has to stay open, but as a general rule of thumb, they normally should stay open for at least Administrivia/{{three day|Rule}}s and should not be closed until there is a clear consensus. If the change is a major one (like the renaming of a whole namespace), you need at least one week. Crowners have timestamps in their headers, so check them if you aren't sure whether enough time has passed.
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The crowner should run until it stabilizes and there is a consensus. There is no strict set maximum or minimum number of days that a A crowner has to stay open, but as a general rule of thumb, they should normally should stay open for at least Administrivia/{{three day|Rule}}s and should not be closed until there is a clear consensus. If the change is a major one (like the renaming of a whole namespace), you need at least one week. Crowners have timestamps in their headers, so check them if you aren't sure whether enough time has passed.
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Not always true these days
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The crowner should run until it stabilizes and there is a consensus. There is no strict set maximum or minimum number of days that a crowner has to stay open, but as a general rule of thumb, they normally should stay open for at least Administrivia/{{three day|Rule}}s (not counting weekends) and should not be closed until there is a clear consensus. If the change is a major one (like the renaming of a whole namespace), you need at least one week. Crowners have timestamps in their headers, so check them if you aren't sure whether enough time has passed.
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The crowner should run until it stabilizes and there is a consensus. There is no strict set maximum or minimum number of days that a crowner has to stay open, but as a general rule of thumb, they normally should stay open for at least Administrivia/{{three day|Rule}}s (not counting weekends) and should not be closed until there is a clear consensus. If the change is a major one (like the renaming of a whole namespace), you need at least one week. Crowners have timestamps in their headers, so check them if you aren't sure whether enough time has passed.
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You need to wait until the crowner is called before taking action or requesting another crowner. Also, in the rare event that no crowner options have consensus, it may be possible to use a new crowner with new options, or alternatively, the thread can be closed with no action being taken.
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You need to wait until the crowner is called before taking action or requesting another crowner. Also, in the rare event that no crowner options have consensus, it may be possible to use a new crowner with new options, or alternatively, the thread can may be closed with no action being taken.
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Null edit: Removed that part because the page has been revised to reflect the current system.
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!NOTE: The crowner system is undergoing an overhaul, so some of the information on this page is no longer correct. Updates will come as further changes are made.
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I missed a lot of outdated stuff when I revised the page in April (such as how the part about three-digit vote counts not being applicable to newer namespace discussions, such as the recent LetsPlay/, LightNovel/, and Wiki/ discussions), the part about less than a 2:1 ratio being considered consensus in any circumstances (no longer true), or the part about TRS threads being closed with no action if a crowner is open for a long time (threads are closed after a crowner is called; no action would be taken if the crowner has no options within consnesus range)
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So you have been participating in a thread in [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/conversations.php?topic=renames Trope Repair Shop]] or [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/conversations.php?topic=images Image Pickin']] , there has been some discussion about what to do to fix a page, and you want to move on to the next step and that much closer to actually fixing the page. In most cases, this means making a crowner.
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So you have been participating in a thread in [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/conversations.php?topic=renames Trope Repair Shop]] or [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/conversations.php?topic=images Image Pickin']] , Pickin']], there has been some discussion about what to do to fix a page, and you want to move on to the next step and that much closer to actually fixing the page. In most cases, this means making a crowner.
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!When should you make a crowner?
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!When should you make a crowner?crowner be made?
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!How to make a crowner (current situation)
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!What do I do after making a crowner?
!!Hooking it to the thread
The first thing to do is to holler (that is, click the button with an ellipsis on it and click "Holler This") the moderators, asking politely for one to hook (attach) your crowner to the thread.
!!Hooking it to the thread
The first thing to do is to holler (that is, click the button with an ellipsis on it and click "Holler This") the moderators, asking politely for one to hook (attach) your crowner to the thread.
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!What do I do after making a crowner?
!!Hooking it to the thread
The first thing to do is to holler (that is, click the button with an ellipsis on it and click "Holler This") the moderators, asking politely for one to hook (attach) yourcrowner to the thread.
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!!Hooking it to the thread
The first thing to do is to holler (that is, click the button with an ellipsis on it and click "Holler This") the moderators, asking politely for one to hook (attach) your
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Next, the crowner should run until it stabilizes and there is a consensus. There is no strict set maximum or minimum number of days that a crowner has to stay open, but as a general rule of thumb, they normally should stay open for at least three days (not counting weekends) and should not be closed until there is a clear consensus. If the change is a major one (like the renaming of a whole namespace), you need at least one week. Crowners have timestamps in their headers, so check them if you aren't sure whether enough time has passed.
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Consensus usually requires a 2:1 ratio of up vs. down votes with rename efforts normally not being considered to have consensus support until they have around 70% support (a 2.33:1 ratio), while Alt Names can be called with less than 2:1. In the event that multiple options have at least 2:1 support on a Page Action crowner, all of the ones that are compatible with the option with the most support may also be done after the crowner is called. Image Pickin' crowner options require both a positive vote balance and a minimum 2:1 vote ratio for consensus.
The minimum amount of votes is usually 10-15 combined votes for the option with the most votes cast (the higher, the better), but large-scale efforts like renaming of namespaces need usually around 100-150 votes.
The minimum amount of votes is usually 10-15 combined votes for the option with the most votes cast (the higher, the better), but large-scale efforts like renaming of namespaces need usually around 100-150 votes.
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Consensus usually requires at least a 2:1 ratio of up vs. down votes with rename efforts normally not being considered to have consensus support until they have around 70% support (a 2.33:1 ratio), while Alt Names can be called with less than 2:1. votes. In the event that multiple options have at least 2:1 support on a Page Action crowner, crowner regarding changes to a page, all of the ones that are compatible with the option with the most support may also be done after the crowner is called. Image Pickin' crowner options require both a positive vote balance and a minimum 2:1 vote ratio for consensus.
The minimum amount of votes is usually 10-15 combined votes for the option with the most votes cast (the higher, the better), but large-scale efforts like renaming of namespaces need usually around 100-150 votes.
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The minimum amount of votes is usually 10-15 combined votes for the option with the most votes cast (the higher, the better), but large-scale efforts like renaming of namespaces need usually around 100-150 votes.
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You should always try to wait until the crowner is closed before taking action or making another crowner. Also, in the rare event that a crowner has been open for quite a long time and there seems to be no consensus forming, the thread has stalled and it may be appropriate to ask a moderator to close it.
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You should always try need to wait until the crowner is closed called before taking action or making requesting another crowner. Also, in the rare event that a no crowner has been open for quite a long time and there seems options have consensus, it may be possible to be no consensus forming, use a new crowner with new options, or alternatively, the thread has stalled and it may can be appropriate to ask a moderator to close it.
closed with no action being taken.
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After an update, regular tropers are no longer able to create crowners; only mods have access to the crowner creation tool. It is unknown when or if tropers will be able to make crowners again. For now, if a thread needs voting, list out the options in a post and send a holler for that post to ask a mod to make the crowner for you.
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After an update, regular tropers are no longer able to create crowners; only mods have access to the crowner creation tool. It is unknown when or if tropers other than the staff will be able to make crowners again. For now, if a thread needs voting, list out the options in a post and send a holler for that post to ask a mod to make the crowner for you.
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Rewording this a bit
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After an update, regular tropers are no longer able to create crowners; only mods have access to the crowner creation tool. It is unknown when or if tropers will be able to make crowners again. For now, if a thread needs voting, list out the options in a post and use Holler to ask a mod to attach the crowner for you.
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After an update, regular tropers are no longer able to create crowners; only mods have access to the crowner creation tool. It is unknown when or if tropers will be able to make crowners again. For now, if a thread needs voting, list out the options in a post and use Holler send a holler for that post to ask a mod to attach make the crowner for you.
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adding in IP crowner material per discussion
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Consensus usually requires a 2:1 ratio of up vs. down votes with rename efforts normally not being considered to have consensus support until they have around 70% support (a 2.33:1 ratio), while Alt Names can be called with less than 2:1. In the event that multiple options have at least 2:1 support on a Page Action crowner, all of the ones that are compatible with the option with the most support may also be done after the crowner is called.
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Consensus usually requires a 2:1 ratio of up vs. down votes with rename efforts normally not being considered to have consensus support until they have around 70% support (a 2.33:1 ratio), while Alt Names can be called with less than 2:1. In the event that multiple options have at least 2:1 support on a Page Action crowner, all of the ones that are compatible with the option with the most support may also be done after the crowner is called.
called. Image Pickin' crowner options require both a positive vote balance and a minimum 2:1 vote ratio for consensus.
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Due to the high throughput of Image Pickin', crowners generally only run for 5 days unless it's necessary for them to run longer. Additionally, the forum has guidelines for allowing a crowner to be called early:
* At any point, if the leading option has a vote balance of at least 10 and no other options have consensus. This is considered "super-consensus".
* After 3 days, if the leading option has a vote balance of at least 8 and no other options have consensus.
* After 4 days, if the leading option is the only one that has consensus.
* At any point, if the leading option has a vote balance of at least 10 and no other options have consensus. This is considered "super-consensus".
* After 3 days, if the leading option has a vote balance of at least 8 and no other options have consensus.
* After 4 days, if the leading option is the only one that has consensus.