Miraculous Ladybug

Well I finished the whole season 5 already(well I did for a while). and my opinion is....it is okay, very well done but it kinda flatter is some areas.

For one we see what gabriel can do and we even see more of his psychology than before, some moment between having adrian he become a control freak, his clear he is a shadow archtype of marinette(meaning adrien got what he got from his mother) and decided he need to control everything and he get to decide, his end was...nice in a way.

the way laila got out of the show was good and the way she just move way was kind of hilarioys, the writter better have something because otherwise she come as petty.

Now on bad things, chole showing this season for me REALLY said the writter planning to have a redemption and scrap it because aside of having chararter telling other how she was always means and how adrian was naive to trust on him, his final hurrah hing very much on laila and gabriel telling her exactly what to do, also the silliness of a teenager being the mayor of paris was too much for me, it show the pratical problem of chole rejecting redemption: it let her with nothing but being a basic bully the show very much out grow in season 2.

As for Felix...I get the idea but dont like the resolution, it feel felix needed a two or third part to sell his changing side, I think the problem is they cant show us WHY he does what he does because his backstory is pretty much spoilers so they have to use other ways and it rellies a lot on melodrama or him being compassionate when the entire status quo of 5 is his good damn fault.

Also I wills said compared to another season final, this one feel....less dramatic, between all scarlet villians and a bunch of white suits atacking is....meh.

Felix owes his life to the peacock miraculous and only very rarely uses its power. Marinette probably figured that it was better to let him have it than to risk giving it to someone else who could use the peacock to snap Felix, Adrien and Kagami out of existence.

I think the actual answer is that the writers forgot, but Nathalie says in an earlier season that she didn't fall for Gabriel until after his wife went into the coma, but this season has her reminisce on an old love and flashing back to Gabriel and Emilie. It's actually incredibly easy to reconcile these two things by having her fall for Emilie first and Gabriel later, I hope they run with that idea.

Man, it's pretty funny that one of the things Gabriel decides to do once he learns of other universes is to go on a hunt for other versions of Ladybug and Cat Noire.

Like that's just a whole new level of motive decay.

Well, it's not that stupid. He could have hoped to find a universe where they are easier to catch, and a Miraculous from another universe could work just as well for what he wants to do (provided of course there is not a protection preventing the wish to be granted like on the Shadybug universe miraculouses).

While that is a motive, he's also clearly motivated by spite in that sequence.

I feel it does make sense though, there's only so many times you can get foiled by teenagers in a gaudy Ladybug and Cat outfit before you just start hating.

With it now being confirmed that Gabriel gave up his life to save Natalie, a few questions arise about Adrien. Mostly due to the possibility that one or more of his guardians may find out that he's Cat Noir. Failing that, the fact remains that Lucas is the only one that knows. This leads into the possibility that he takes on the role of confidant for Adrien, just like how Alya is the same for Marinette. Any thoughts on these concepts?

So it has been confirmed Emilie is still dead and it was Aemilie with Nath at the party

Where? By whom? Source?

Edited by PhiSat on Jan 11th 2024 at 10:55:40 AM

According to the Miraculous wiki it was confirmed on a site called TF 1 and by Austric himself. Even if the claim is wrong the questions it brings up are still intriguing give what little we know at this time.

I feel like Gabriel reviving Emily would make the ending feel like an even bigger slap in the face than it is already.

Gabriel sacrificing himself to save Natalie feels right at least.

I'd be wary of trusting an uncredited "Astruc totally said this, source: my ass". There's been way too many times something some random guy posted on a fan wiki gets circulated around like it's fact when there's no source and it ends up being fake. Especially when it contradicts what was in the leaked script documents that were almost 1:1 accurate.

If Astruc posts it on his Twitter, where he posts almost everything else, that's one thing. But I'm not sure I believe some uncredited source.

Edited by PhiSat on Jan 12th 2024 at 10:13:10 AM

I guess we'll see when the next season comes out, but there is precedence for the finished episode being different from the leaked script.

We know that Chloe's last episode was supposed to have Andre divorce his wife and leave Chloe with her.

Then that scene got cut.

I'm not saying it's 100% fake, maybe Astruc did say that at some fan panel or something. But without a source I'd be wary of taking the word of a fan wiki.

Agreed, but even if Emily is alive as well, the basic facts of my earlier statement are true. Whether he sacrificed himself to save just Natalie or if he died for both of them will be confirmed at the start of season six. In the meantime the rest of my statement should be looked at. Will anyone else learn Adrien's secret? What will his relationship be with Luka going forward? Those will be interesting things to look into.

Obviously Lila/Cerise will be involved in trying to take revenge on Ladybug, but I think a major conflict will revolve around Marinette needing to keep that she lied to Adrien about Gabriel's nature secret. He'll find out somehow and be crushed Marinette lied to him about his father and that will fuel even more relationship drama.

It would be nice to get some Adrien development in the meantime, but I don't have a lot of faith it'll happen since Adrien wasn't even involved in confronting his own father.

Given how much this show pulls from the Spider-Man mythos and that Gabriel's death was pretty similar to how Norman Osborn died in Spider-Man, it wouldn't surprise me if Adrien draws the wrong conclussions after finding out more about his father (possibly as a result of Lila's manipulations) and temporarily becomes a villain.

Hawkmoth 2, but since he doesn't have the Peacock he just kind of makes his own Hawkmoth suit and bribes people into becoming villains with money.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 12th 2024 at 8:46:58 AM

I still think it's beautiful that Lila has trapped herself to be constantly foiled by Ladybug daily since she became the new Hawk Moth.

Maybe she'll be like the Joker and not mind failing as long as she gets to consistiently antagonize the hero

Nah, she's got too much spite for that. She's not crazy, she wants to win in the way that is most painful for her enemies.

Yeah, just look at how Gabriel degenerated from "I'll save my wife through a wish through the Ladybug and Cat Noir miraculous" to "CURSE YOU LADYBUG, I"LL GET YOU SOMEDAY!" to "I'll ruin this perfect chance to warn my past self about what will happen to Emily, so I can defeat Ladybug" to "I"LL DESTROY EVERY LADYBUG IN THE MULTIVERSE!"

Like I said, there's only so many times you can keep getting foiled by a teenager in a Ladybug onesie before it starts getting more and more personal.

Weren't there some implications (for instance in the Shangai special) that Gabriel was already rotten before Emilie's death? In that case it would not be so much Motive Decay as gradually dropping the excuse of wanting to revive his wife.

Yeah, I'm in the camp that Gabriel was a terrible person before becoming Hawk Moth, especially with how he just revels in being a supervillain and hurting people.

But I think he was sincere about wanting to save his wife and while he is abusive towards Adrien, does genuinely care for him. I'd say his supervillain career and his constant defeats by Ladybug made him a worse person.

Evil is not good for the soul after all.

There is a strong implication that Gabriel used to be kinder man from his friendship with Andre and the way Felix described him in Representation.

Edited by Sunchet on Jan 15th 2024 at 10:26:39 AM