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This thread is a metathread for Trope Repair Shop discussion. Things like TRS policy, what is needed in a TRS opening post, questions about whether a certain topic is TRS-worthy and questions about why a thread wasn't opened go here.

Some guidelines for when/whether to use TRS:

  • If the trope is fine, but has some bad examples, feel free to clean them up or to start a cleanup project at Projects: Short-Term. Trope Repair Shop is for when cleaning isn't sufficient.
  • If you think there's something wrong with the trope that systematically attracts improper examples, start a discussion at Trope Talk. Use a Wick Check to see whether there's an issue present (and if there is, what the issue is), and post the results on TRS Queue and wait your turn if a problem is present. The following methods are two possible ways to do a wick check (though not necessarily the only ways):
    • You can go ahead with the Wick Check without a discussion if you know what you're looking for. While it's not mandatory, feel free to ask someone for help confirming that you got the issue and the numbers correct.
    • Consult the Wick Check Project thread to collect evidence if you need help.
  • If a wick check is too much for you, you can leave the issue at Tropes Needing TRS citing the discussion.
  • Depending on a trope (or non-trope) in question, a wick check may be determined to not be required, such as for tropes that are not thriving (per the standards for trope health listed on the Wick page). However, there is no problem if you want to do one anyway.

For a more detailed introduction to this forum, click here.

For related projects, see Wick Cleaning Projects and the Wick Check Project.

See Tropes Needing TRS for a list of trope candidates for TRS.

A (not mandatory, informal) queue for prospective TRS participants can be found at the TRS Queue.

For a list of wiki pages related to thread outcomes, see the following:

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 24th 2024 at 1:49:19 PM

opal6561 autistic aro opal gemstone Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
autistic aro opal gemstone
#8801: Apr 28th 2024 at 2:13:31 PM

I dunno if this is the right place to put this but...

I'm okay with Panty Shot being definition only, but who decided, and specifically why, did they decide that the page be a three-sentence stub?

Am I that troper? Maybe, maybe not, the world may never know.
Amonimus the Retromancer from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the Retromancer
#8802: Apr 28th 2024 at 2:17:03 PM

[up] Nobody has decided that, the description was short from the beginning.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Lymantria Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph from Toronto Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Amonimus the Retromancer from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the Retromancer
#8804: Apr 28th 2024 at 3:11:31 PM

Due to having one trope as Related, which was admin-nuked.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Lymantria Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph from Toronto Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph
#8805: Apr 28th 2024 at 3:23:35 PM

Before that, it was even longer. (Obviously I don’t want to go back to those days.)

Join the Five-Man Band cleanup project!
kundoo Since: Sep, 2010
#8806: Apr 28th 2024 at 3:34:52 PM

It's not really longer if you exclude the part about Japanese culture.

GastonRabbit Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
#8807: Apr 29th 2024 at 12:30:48 PM

If you want to change the description, that's outside this thread's scope. Description changes are a job for this thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 29th 2024 at 2:31:25 PM

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition (Troper Knight)
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
#8808: Apr 29th 2024 at 12:33:28 PM

Depends on what sort of changes are being proposed, though. That thread is only for changes that don't alter the trope as defined.

Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
GastonRabbit Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
#8809: Apr 29th 2024 at 2:09:14 PM

That's what I meant, but I could have been more clear about that.

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition (Troper Knight)
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
#8810: May 1st 2024 at 11:55:32 AM

So for a while I've been trying to get help with the Incorruptible Pure Pureness rewriting phase. Thing is, I don't actually think there's any solid way to make the IUEO stuff clearer than it already is, but really don't want to jump ahead without a single other troper weighing in on that concern. (Someone did post, but they noted a different issue with the description instead)

Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
wootzits Since: Apr, 2010
#8811: May 2nd 2024 at 10:30:50 AM

A slot's open and Comic Book Run is next on the queue but it seems like the wick check isn't done yet.

WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition (Troper Knight)
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
#8812: May 2nd 2024 at 10:40:32 AM

Mrph's on break rn due to COVID, so...

Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
animuacid Animu from Suginomiya district Since: Jan, 2024
WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition (Troper Knight)
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
animuacid Animu from Suginomiya district Since: Jan, 2024
Animu
#8815: May 2nd 2024 at 11:10:50 AM

[up][tup] I was thinking for a moment to open my thread on the threesome tropes but I felt that is less on an Issue than the trend of weapon tropes being sinkholed everywhere they are mentioned.

wootzits Since: Apr, 2010
#8816: May 2nd 2024 at 12:32:59 PM

I made a note on Comic Book Run that it's on hold until the wick check is completed, but then I looked at how many wicks that trope's got and it's just 21. I thought something like that didn't require a wick check.

WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition (Troper Knight)
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
#8817: May 2nd 2024 at 12:34:11 PM

It likely doesn't, but if it exists, may as well complete it. It can still be helpful.

Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Adept (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#8818: May 2nd 2024 at 10:10:39 PM

Not sure how to go about doing this, but I'm thinking of removing One-Steve Limit from No Straight Examples, Please! and give it an outright Example Sectionectomy.

As it is defined, One-Steve Limit is a Tropes in Aggregate where no characters share names with each other (despite having very common names) to keep each of their identity unique. With it being No Straight Examples, Please!, most of the trope usage boils down to aversions where two or more people do share the same name. We already have numerous tropes for "characters sharing names as a joke or other for plot-relevant reasons", so listing "aversions of One-Steve Limit" is redundant to the former, but also Chairs when the shared names don't have any narrative significance.

MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#8819: May 3rd 2024 at 2:42:19 AM

@8816-7: The threshold for Starving is lower for tropes that are less than three years old. Comic Book Run's creation date is listed as April 2021, so its third birthday was just last month, so it almost certainly wasn't old enough to qualify as Starving when it was placed on the queue.

Also, since part of the problem is misuse, checking to see how much there is would still be useful.

Edited by MorganWick on May 3rd 2024 at 2:44:57 AM

JoeG Since: Jul, 2010
#8820: May 3rd 2024 at 12:19:45 PM

[up]What exactly is the threshold for Starving tropes? I checked the FAQ and couldn't find anything.

WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition (Troper Knight)
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Coachpill Can shapeshift (probably) from Washington State, grew up on Long Island Since: Aug, 2022 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Can shapeshift (probably)
#8822: May 3rd 2024 at 12:21:27 PM

You'd need to check Wick. [nja]

Edited by Coachpill on May 3rd 2024 at 3:22:23 PM

Silver and gold, silver and gold
WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition (Troper Knight)
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
#8823: May 5th 2024 at 10:18:32 AM

This may be out of pocket but I'm wondering if Recycled In Space should be greenlinked or something. It was made JFF a while ago and replaced with Recycled with a Gimmick but we never got around to the cleanup part. People still use it.

Edited by WarJay77 on May 5th 2024 at 1:18:51 PM

Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
GastonRabbit Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
#8824: May 5th 2024 at 10:59:51 AM

[up]Went ahead and did that.

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition (Troper Knight)
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition

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