A thread to discuss electric vehicles and hybrid technology. No politics, please.
Technology, commercial aspects and marketing are all on-topic.
- Companies (e.g. Tesla Inc.) are only on-topic when discussing their electric vehicle products and research, not their wider activities. The exception is when those wider activities directly impact (or are impacted by) their other business areas - e.g. if electric vehicle development is cut back due to losses in another part of the business.
- Technology that's not directly related to electric vehicles (e.g. general battery research) is off-topic unless you're discussing how it might be used for vehicles.
- If we're talking about individuals here, that should only be because they've said or done something directly relevant to the topic. Specifically, posts about Tesla do not automatically need to mention Elon Musk. And Musk's views, politics and personal life are firmly off-topic unless you can somehow show that they're relevant to electric cars.
Also, posting this late, so sorry for any misspellings I might have left in there.
(Mod edited to replace original post)
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 29th 2024 at 4:14:39 PM
What violence was planned against the property? Because if we're considering any protest where police are injured to be a terrorist attack then we've basically made the term so vague as to rob it of all meaning.
"Yup. That tasted purple."
A procrastination in of itself
They were trying to force entry into the factory, considering that this is a group that previously committed arson against nearby power lines I think it’s reasonable to assume that they were planning to damage or destroy factory infrastructure.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
>this is a group that previously committed arson against nearby power lines
No. The arson attack on the power lines was carried out by a different far-left organisation calling itself the Volcano Group
, not the Disrupt Tesla movement that carried out this protest.
A procrastination in of itself
My bad, I assumed there was only one group doing direct action against the factory. Yeah that does make the use of the term terrorism for this even less appropriate.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Oh, bother.
So basically this wasn't really terrorism but just a protest that got a bit violent.
Disgusted, but not surprised
Looks like it. And a bit of hyperbolic language.
"Yup. That tasted purple."
Oh, bother.
Electrek, 05/13/2024: Tesla’s head of Cybertruck manufacturing is out
Renjie Zhu, director of manufacturing in charge of Cybertruck production recently left Tesla. It's not clear if he retired on his own or if he was one of those subjected to Tesla's recent round of layoffs.
The article notes he was also the guy in charge of Tesla’s highly Model 3 and Model Y production lines in Shanghai. So he was kind of a big deal.
Disgusted, but not surprised
The law in the night
It helps that the F-150 is the cheapest option of the bunch, compounded that the Cybertruck being a fairly polarizing design and the Rivian being one of the most expensive options even after slashing its initial price.
There is the mention of the Silverado and Hummer E Vs but they are really pricey and GM's woes with the Chevy Bolt EV having a fairly salty 150m lawsuit and battery fire woes may have soured the reception of GM's E Vs. GM is behind the EV SUV/Light Truck sales by a pretty wide margin.
Edited by AngelusNox on May 17th 2024 at 12:48:58 PM
Inter arma enim silent leges
Looking at the company's webpage, they are honest about Sodium Ion batteries not being able to match Lithium's energy density, but they think they can get good enough energy density for mass market models where cost and safety are more important.
There are more and more stories and accounts of Cybertruck panels falling off shortly after delivery. There's no good way to determine what percentage this makes up of all cybertruck deliveries, but I'm shocked that someone on the cybertruck owner's club forum saying his wrist got slit open because of it but he still loves the Cybertruck. I first heard the story on Twitter, went searching and only found reddit links to the forum and discussions, but because the actual links include images of the injury I've decided not to go down that rabbit hole, if anyone wants to call it fake news go right ahead.
Oh, bother.
"I love this truck that keeps hurting me in so many ways."
Disgusted, but not surprised
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Sometimes people really seem to develop what could be described as an abusive relationship with companies, don't they.
Edited by DrunkenNordmann on May 27th 2024 at 12:46:29 PM
Welcome to Estalia, gentlemen.
Sadly far too common. I'm sure there are other car companies that have as dedicated fanbases as Tesla, but I haven't seen people getting hurt by Toyota car's and then blaming themselves for it and praising the company. I have seen that with Telsa, especially with the Cybertruck and people blaming themselves for the car hurting or slicing them open (seriously, I have seen a lot of stories and photos of people cut up by the doors on the truck and still praising the truck, Tesla, Musk, or some combination of the three).
Oh, bother.
I guess that's what happens when you make being a customer of some company part of your identity as a human being.
Disgusted, but not surprised
Yeah, while I have preferences on which companies tend to produce products I like, I always try to never directly advocate for a company that isn't paying me for the privilege.
In terms of cars, I currently drive a Toyota PHEV and intend on getting a full EV for my next vehicle. So no matter how much I enjoy my current vehicle (and it's been smooth sailing so far) getting another Toyota is entirely contingent on them releasing an EV that meets my specifications before I'm back on the market.
Oh, bother.
The Cybertruck reminds me of that early Simpsons episode with Homer designing a car for his brother Herb's car company.
Though at least Tesla wasn't stupid enough to bank all of their fortunes on this vanity project of a vehicle.
Disgusted, but not surprised
There was an arson attack previously and it looks like several police were injured this time as part of an attempt to force entry into the factor to carry out violence against the property.
We’ve seen similar terrorism in favour of climate change in the U.K., with the repeated attack on ULEZ cameras in London, which are there to enforce a law aimed at improving air quality.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran