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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! I'm editing this OP and pinning it to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

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[Edited by Fighteer]

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

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#168576: May 14th 2024 at 1:42:24 AM

Except what would be the point of that? They still would have been raised by the Maximoffs.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
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#168577: May 14th 2024 at 1:51:59 AM

We are missing some good telepaths.

Like there is a lot of mutant mind readers. Xavier, Jean Grey, Emma Frost, Psylocke (Betsy/Kwannon), Empath, etc.

Team telepath is a standard position on any team. Helps coordinate and keeps everyone in contact.

Edited by slimcoder on May 14th 2024 at 1:52:22 AM

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#168578: May 14th 2024 at 4:58:55 AM

I hope they don't go that route. Frankly, that sounds really dumb to me as a hamfisted Remember the New Guy?, and it goes against Xavier's cohabitation dream. Mass mind control is not cool. That would kill the character before it was even released.

People already took issue with the Eternals having an Alien Non-Interference Clause as a handwave for why they didn't show up. Doing the same thing with a group as public as the X-Men sounds like a bad idea.

Edited by MurlocAggroB on May 14th 2024 at 5:59:29 AM

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#168579: May 14th 2024 at 5:31:28 AM

It would honestly make more sense to make them The Elephant In The Room, folks who are there, who people don't talk about, because they really don't want to... much like the Skaven in Warhammer. I'm not saying it's guaranteed to work well, but at the very least, more of a chance of working than mind-wiping.

Edited by Ego-Man25 on May 14th 2024 at 6:05:09 AM

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#168580: May 14th 2024 at 9:33:40 AM

Random thought: are there any superheroes active in Chicago in the MCU?

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#168581: May 14th 2024 at 9:39:47 AM

Going by the MCU wiki, the closest would be Phastos from Eternals, since he lives in Chicago with his husband and son. Marc Spector also used to live in Chicago as a child.

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#168582: May 14th 2024 at 9:44:14 AM

Oh yeah! I forgot about Marc's life in Chicago.

And I didn't realize Phastos lived in Chicago either.

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#168583: May 14th 2024 at 9:53:22 AM

Riri Ironheart is from Chicago but she's currently at MIT. Or Wakanda. Not sure.

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#168584: May 14th 2024 at 2:33:44 PM

Okay, we have an official title at last: Agatha All Along.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/img_0372_2.jpeg

Source is the official Twitter: https://x.com/marvel/status/1790494367016427660?s=46&t=7YT7yMPCw2VMMwQUxWj5_A

Show drops September 18.

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#168585: May 14th 2024 at 2:39:20 PM

Y'know, I'm hoping one of these days we get a Marvel scene where one of the main characters is browsing on the car radio and "Agatha All Along" plays, with everyone reacting in brief confusion before shutting the radio off.

And cool, release date! And glad to know the title stuff really was a gimmick in the end.

Also...just noticed that apparently there's a new Marvel Television logo. Neat!

Edited by MatthewWayne on May 14th 2024 at 2:46:56 AM

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#168586: May 14th 2024 at 2:46:32 PM

Deadline is also saying Daredevil will be out in March and Ironheart sometime next year.

https://deadline.com/2024/05/marvel-premiere-dates-agatha-all-along-daredevil-born-again-ironheart-1235916398/

Opened a thread for Agatha: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=17157246740A09451900&page=1#1

Edited by BigBadShadow25 on May 14th 2024 at 6:20:56 AM

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#168587: May 14th 2024 at 5:05:08 PM

There's also a new logo for Daredevil: Born Again that's a big improvement over what they were previously using.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/daredevil_born_again_2024_logo.jpg

Edited by dmcreif on May 14th 2024 at 8:11:10 AM

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#168588: May 14th 2024 at 5:29:20 PM

Now I feel even more pressured to finish the original series ASAP...but I don't want to leave my folks behind!

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#168589: May 14th 2024 at 6:21:19 PM

I really hope the Agatha show has a different title every episode as a quirky Running Gag to come back to.

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#168591: May 15th 2024 at 1:08:02 AM

Okay, the Magneto part for Quicksilver is excusable cause they literally didnt have the rights at the time. I thought it'd be more, "They killed a prominent mutant off with a drone strike"

Rhodey being a Skrull isnt inherently a bad thing, since Secret Invasion is basically exposing so many heroes as replaced Skrulls. But the issue was the implication and statements that Rhodey was a Skrull since Civil War and that Rhodey who cried for his friend's last hologram isnt the real deal.

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#168592: May 15th 2024 at 1:24:20 AM

Turns out all of the MCU has been terrible forever. Who knew?

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#168593: May 15th 2024 at 3:53:34 AM

The Thor one is still one of the worst changes the mcu has ever done.

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#168594: May 15th 2024 at 5:26:49 AM

A lot of those don't bother me. I also disagree greatly with the Hawkeye and Spider-man ones. I am also glad that they removed the Bucky/Natasha romance. Thor only bothers me in Love and Thunder otherwise I love goofy Thor much more than his comic version. About the only one I agree with is Wanda.

Edited by Bullman on May 15th 2024 at 7:32:01 AM

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#168595: May 15th 2024 at 5:32:49 AM

Thor has been published for decades. He’s had many different demeanors. While seldom as goofy as in Love and Thunder, he has had more lighthearted eras

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#168596: May 15th 2024 at 5:41:43 AM

None of them bother me but clearly someone is great bothered they made an image listing all their gripes¬

New theme music also a box
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#168597: May 15th 2024 at 5:45:29 AM

[up][up]Uh I dunno. I've read plenty of runs like gilleon. And we'll comedy has always been a key part of the series. It was never the main part. Thor is usually the Straight Man in alot of jokes compared to Loki whose the funny one.

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#168598: May 15th 2024 at 5:58:15 AM

A lot of those just feel like they're grasping for something to complain about. This is literally the first time I've ever heard "Vision never got to be evil" as a complaint. Also I love how apparently the worst decision they ever made for Captain America was "Didn't make First Avenger slightly longer". I. Uh. I can think of worse decisions they made for him, to be sure.

And, of course, "Rhodey was briefly a Skrull in a bad TV show" is peak comedy as an MCU critique. This is all so softball.

Edited by TobiasDrake on May 15th 2024 at 7:00:48 AM

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#168599: May 15th 2024 at 6:00:20 AM

Simonson’s run blended a lot of humor into the epic storytelling

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/img_7375_0.jpeg

Not always from Thor but he got to join in.

It was a run that showed Thor could use his wits as well as fists. And that sometimes made him a witty character

Yes, Thor is usually a more somber character. But he has range.

Edited by Bocaj on May 15th 2024 at 6:01:15 AM

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#168600: May 15th 2024 at 6:12:17 AM

Uh I don't mind some like that. But they just way over did it later.

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