Xenoblade Chronicles

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That has nothing to do with Broad Strokes. The point is that SOME version of Xenosaga happens in the universe of Xenoblade and they’ve been implying and building up to that idea since 2 where they straight up brought back a Xenosaga villain and his faction as major instigators of things in the backstory, the fact KOS-MOS and T-ELOS somehow have knowledge of the world they’re in despite having no idea why they have that kind of knowledge, the literal blue shooting star in the soundtrack art that was later shown in Future Redeems ending alluding to KOS-MOS body finding its way to Lost Jerusalem at the end of Xenosaga, etc.

Everything has been pointing to the idea that as the worlds of Xenoblade 1, 2, and 3 were going on, some version of Xenosaga was itself happening in likely its own universe due to the Zohar/Conduit creating entirely new universes. Nevermind that I even mentioned even the Xenoblade protag dlc where all the leads met they strongly alluded that Elma, Shulk, and Rex meeting was something Alvis foresaw, and would later contribute to 3 and Origin.

Edit: Also want to add KOS-MOS and T-ELOS having memories of things on earth can also be because they’re Mary Magdalene, not due to being machines that were built thousands of years later.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on May 7th 2024 at 4:32:38 AM

See, I don't think that at all. Xenosaga can't happen without the Immigrant Fleet/Project Exodus taking the Conduit, and they indeed didn't take the Conduit. What they did take was the delightfully Conduit-shaped Lifeholds, meaning "some version of Xenosaga" is Xenoblade X.

Future Xeno-games are going to bridge the main trilogy with X, and include the return to Earth that both Xenogears and Xenosaga were meant to have as follow-ups.

The Lifeholds aren’t the equivalent of the Conduit in X. Everything points to the closest equivalent it there being the Planet Mira. A planet that can drag future humans thousands of years form the future and keep them stuck on it, allowing people to survive even when the data storage units keeping them alive is gone. Ships getting stuck there with no idea how to escape, Telethia existing who protect said planet from outside threats that can become ecological disasters, etc.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on May 7th 2024 at 4:43:42 AM

Uhhh yeah that supports my argument? X is the closest thing to Xenosaga that's likely going to exist in the Xenoblade setting.

Not at all. The Lifeholds arent a good example, which is what you use to say it’s Xenosaga, and X certainly doesn’t help your point when KOS-MOS and T-ELOS do exist in the world of Xenoblade.

While Elma is a completely different alien whose true form resembles her but isn’t KOS-MOS.

Edit: An actual Planet as the closest equivalent to the Zohar in X serves my point even more. Humanity in Xenosaga could always find some other Zohar equivalent in the cosmos and use that as a replacement for it. So not having THE Zohar doesn’t hinder a version of Xenosaga.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on May 7th 2024 at 4:53:33 AM

Thaaaaaaat's a reach and you know it.

Saying X is Xenosaga IS a reach in and of itself.

Fact is there’s more than enough space for Takahashi to say what he wants about how Xenosaga fits into Xenoblade and how to connect aspects of both series that are in conflict with one another, especially if relations continue to be well enough that Namco lets him do so as they’ve done since 2 with using things from Xenosaga.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on May 7th 2024 at 5:06:24 AM

It's really not much of a reach. X is about the formation of a new society after Earth is destroyed by forces beyond human understanding. Xenosaga is about a society formed after Earth is destroyed by forces beyond human understanding. We simply haven't seen what happened to the society humanity established on Mira in between X and Xenoblade 3. That's why I don't think the events of Xenosaga will be canon, broad strokes or otherwise, to Xenoblade, the starting point is too different, even if the end point is the same.

Edited by Watashiwa on May 7th 2024 at 5:17:43 AM

Xenosaga is about the COLLAPSE of a society from thousands of years of social-political conflicts due to personal interests and a being beyond human understanding manipulating those instigating said conflicts so he can reset the universe to prevent its destruction thousands of years after their world was destroyed, with the aid of the humans who want to have everything be reset. Even using the fact they’re alone in the universe as a tragedy of how isolated mankind feels when even the Gnosis turn out to be human themselves, and growing the will to move forward in spite of the dangers of an doomed future over a secure but miserable “Endless Now” that Wilhelm ensures so the world doesn’t die

X is about building a new society on a world completely alien, unknown, and bizarre where they come into contact with aliens who are just as flawed as they are and have their own beliefs and values different from humanity, and going beyond that to work together for a better tomorrow. While those who hate and despise community and working together seek to destroy them because they’re a threat to their own personal power.

And whatever the GHOST were up to since their motivations were ???? and were fighting the Ganglion as well.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on May 7th 2024 at 5:37:23 AM

Once again, you're not helping your argument. I'm the one saying that I don't believe that Xenosaga will take place in the Xenoblade universe. I think that bits and pieces will be taken out and reused in different ways.

Edited by Watashiwa on May 7th 2024 at 5:35:34 AM

And you’re not helping yours when your comparison doesn’t even work.

Like seriously 3 has more in common with what Xenosaga was going for and the nature of its conflict with the villain than X does, yet you keep comparing it to X!

As I already said Takahashi and the staff of Monolith Soft will be the ones who decide how it will actually work when it comes down to it, especially if relations with Namco continue to be smooth and they continue to get to use things from Xenosaga in Xenoblade.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on May 7th 2024 at 5:42:12 AM

I mean, duh? Xenosaga is three games. X's story isn't complete. X's story is very clearly open to continuation, and given everything the DLC set up, is likely going to continue in the direction of linking back with the main trilogy, thus covering the same ground that Xenosaga would have. Hence, no Xenosaga.

Sorry, but Bandai Namco having a Special Thanks message in the licensing for Future Redeemed, something even Kos-Mos and T-elos in 2 didn't have, tells me that Xenosaga is definitely more then likely gonna be far more important for Xenoblades future then you give it credit for.

Hell, even Xenogears might, since referencing the Class of flagship used in Xenogears that was only namedropped in the Perfect Works from Decades ago is definitely a more indepth reference then it should be.

The Philadelphia class shoutout was definitely just that, seeing as Xenoblade 3 took the entire premise of Xenogears and did it differently. They're not going to make yet another game about Agnus and Keves fighting while being manipulated by people who see them as food when they have one already.

The way they handled Xenogears-in-Xenoblade is the biggest reason I don't think we're going to see Xenosaga happen again. It's the model for how they'll reinterpret all of Perfect Works.

Phew. Still doing Chapter 4.

I've taken lots of breaks to work on Sidequests.

But I'm getting closer and closer. I think I reached the spot where Zanza was being held in the original Chronicles, and saw an Affinity Scene there.

Now I'm breaking off for more side quests again. I'm sure if I reach the point of no return I'll be told, but I still want to do as much stuff as I can.

The funny thing is that the Point of No Return for Future Redeemed is hitting the Final Boss.

I forget how it works in the main story proper (so don't go into the teleporter until you are ready), but restarting the game up after beating the final boss, starts you in the final boss arena.

You can just leave, though?

The only game with a real point of no return is the original Xenoblade, hilariously. Two even, a big one that kicks off the endgame and a smaller one that's just the final boss and the minor gauntlet to get there.

All the rest of the games did away with the idea entirely. Across the rear of the games there's exactly one area that gets locked off to you and everything missable there gets moved elsewhere.

Alright, Finally found those three question marks in the Black Mountains that have been giving me trouble.

Just another three left near a camp at the top, but one has nothing there (which may mean it's not there yet, and will come later) and the other 2 are out of reach right now.

So I'm once again back on the plot. I close to the next red marker, so the next time I play I should see a new cutscene. Almost found everything everywhere as well.

Edit: Alright. Finally at Chapter 5.

Wow. It's exactly what you said. Sorry Na'el. You gotta keep waiting. I still need to complete a few quests.

Edited by HandsomeRob on May 9th 2024 at 8:37:42 AM

So trying to take care of some remaining stuff.

Finally finished all the X-Reader upgrades.

Now completely stumped on everything else.

Shulk and Rex still have a Accessory slot to fill, and Rex still hasn't gotten the last affinity Growth unlock.

I'm short one or two things in some of the remaining regions, item, relic, and container wise.

And with the exception of one Unique Monster (Gotthard the Ethereal, who's level 60 to my Level 58), all the remaining uniques are too high levelled for me to fight.

Oh, and I'm short two Nopon Medals as well.

Not sure how to solve some of these problems beyond Gotthard (I've been avoiding levelling up at campsites, but since I can't beat him even with I'm just two levels short, I think I might have to do it and brute force my way through it), so I suppose I'll either have to check some guides to wrap things up, or just finish it and then complete everything as post game stuff before getting back to the base game and the Land of Challenge.

Alright. As of now, I've done everything except for the last few Unique monsters (who're all still too strong for me to fight), I'm missing a Nopon Medal, and I still need one Affinity Growth Unlock Kit, and one Accessory Unlock Kit, both for Rex.

Oh, and one last Recipe, and three remaining people for Affinity. That's it.

I suspect I might not be able to pull any of this off unless I beat the game first. The the Affinity people are Georgie (which requires the last recipe), Bobobi (which requires the last Nopon Medal) and Searle. As for the Affinity Growth and Accessory Kit, I suspect I need to beat the game, but I'm waiting to hear what you guys say.

Nah you don't need to beat the game to get anything in FR. You just need to backtrack more thoroughly. I was in the same boat, turns out I'd missed something in an area I thought I'd canvassed.

Phew. You guys were right.

Found the last Affinity Growth and Accessory Unlock Kit. Found the last Nopon Medal, which let me get the last recipe, which let me take care of the last of the Community.

Got all materials in all regions. I'm just short a few non-Uniques to mostly complete the Enemy-pedia, and I'm going to take care of that later and hopefully get Rex's last few Affinity Growth upgrades.

After that, I'll finish Future Redeemed, and then maybe consider the post-game afterwards.

Phew. It's been a lot of work.

There isn't a post-game. A few new unique monsters spawn when the final area opens up, just like Future Connected. If you've got the full Community, you've effectively finished all the content the game has.

Oh.

Well I guess I'll just fight that final boss next chance I get.

I suppose I'll deal with the higher level remaining Unique Monsters (essentially the Superbosses) afterwards.

With the exception of Gotthard the Ethereal (who's still kicking my ass when he's only one level above me), I stand no chance against any of them. So I'll beat up that last boss instead and get Na'el, who I kinda spoiled myself on becoming available later in the game.