Not Tropeworthy: Daddy System

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#1: May 1st 2024 at 2:39:57 PM

Daddy System is defined as “a situation in which both a ‘next-gen’ console and its predecessor are both still being made, sold, and developed for concurrently.” Many examples on the page attempt to apply the trope to Platforms, even though platform pages don’t allow examples of tropes, or Creators, even though the Real Life Troping page would frown upon this. There are also examples on the page that attempt to apply the trope to specific Video Games. These examples would be a better fit for Cross-Generation Video Game.

In my Wick Check, I checked all 25 wicks. Only 6 of these are examples of Daddy System in trope lists. Of these, 2 attempt to apply the trope to creators, and 4 attempt to apply the trope to specific video games.

My suggestion is to make this page a Media Note. Another option would be to make this page a Definition-Only Page, since I’ve seen wicks to this page in the forums. A third option would be to add fictional examples of “next-gen” consoles and their predecessors being developed for concurrently and put everything else in the Real Life folder, but I highly doubt we would be able to find enough fictional examples.

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Examples applying Daddy System to creators (2/25)

Flight-Plan
- Daddy System: Flight-Plan was well known for continuing to make games for older consoles late into their life-cycles.
  - Black/Matrix 00 was the last PS1 game released in Japan that was not a re-release. It came out in May 2004, four years after the launch of the PS2.
  - Summon Night Craft Sword Monogatari: Hajimari no Ishi was released on the GBA, one year after the launch of the NDS.
  - Their last game was a PS2 game in March 2010, four years after the launch of the PS3.
Phoenix Games
- Daddy System: They were publishing games on the original PlayStation long after most publishers and developers had stopped supporting it. Notably, the Shoot compilation, released exclusively in Germany, was one of the very last games released for the console, being released in 2005 (in fact, it is one of only two games on the PS1 to be copyrighted in 2005; the other being Schnappi – 3 Fun-Games, another Germany-exclusive).

Examples applying Daddy System to video games (4/25)

Tropes D to G
- Daddy System: The game was developed for the Wii U but delayed until it was released for both the Wii U and the Switch. And unlike Twilight Princess, the differences between versions are much more minimal; the Switch version has a small but noticeable graphics bump and a slightly different UI but otherwise the gameplay is virtually identical.
Tropes A - J
- Daddy System: Originally announced as a GameCube game, it was repeatedly delayed, with much speculation that it would be moved to the next Nintendo system — eventually, it was released on both GameCube and Wii. Apart from controls, resolution, and the need to flip everything backwards for the Wii version to make Link right-handed (inconveniencing left-handed players), the games are exactly the same.
Madden NFL
- Daddy System: Was released for at least one in every iteration through Madden 17.
WWE Video Games
- Daddy System:
  - The PlayStation 2 served as this for the series from 2007 to 2011.
  - The PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 served this as from 2014 to 2016.
  - The PlayStation 4 and Xbox One now serves as this since WWE 2K22.

Full Context + Not an Example (4/25)

Cross-Generation Video Game
- Goes hand in hand with the Daddy System trope, where an older console remains popular and supported even after its successor releases.
Just Here for Godzilla
- Sports games such as Madden NFL, FIFA Soccer, NBA 2K and others are a huge draw for people who are otherwise uninterested in video games, and many buy consoles just to play them. This demographic is likely why these games continue to come out on Daddy Systems for years after other types of games abandon them, because such people are unlikely to run out and buy newly-released consoles just to play a handful of games.
Video Game Culture
- Daddy System: A situation in which both a "next-gen" console and its predecessor are both still being made, sold, and developed for concurrently.
Not Thriving Pre 2010 Tropes
- Daddy System (May 27th, 2008): An older game console continues to receive new game releases after its successor has been released.

Partial Context + Not an Example (10/25)

Embedded Precursor
- The Commodore 128 turned itself into a Commodore 64 if you typed "Go 64." The ZX Spectrum did the same thing (the +2 had a 48K mode, selectable from the startup menu) for the exact same purpose: backwards compatibility.
Popularity Polynomial
- The Donkey Kong Country games were huge in the mid-'90s, with critics and gamers alike praising them to no end. While Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble! may not have had the impact the first two games had,^note the series remained popular, even if the critical praise tapered a bit drawing closer to the Turn of the Millennium, with other, formerly less-hyped games being favored on the whole in retrospect.
Video Games
- The Guitar Hero series, along with its successor/rival Rock Band, both found themselves plagued with Mission-Pack Sequels, a problem that only became acute late in both series' lifespans but was noticeable much earlier on.
  The Original Sin was Guitar Hero Encore: Rocks the 80s, a poorly-received sequel to the excellent Guitar Hero II, made by Harmonix under contract after Activision bought the series. Neversoft (under Activision) made Guitar Hero III and onward, with Guitar Hero: Aerosmith, Guitar Hero: Metallica, Guitar Hero: Smash Hits, Guitar Hero: Van Halen, Guitar Hero: On Tour — Decades, Guitar Hero: On Tour — Modern Hits, and two different versions of Band Hero (one for DS and one for consoles).
  Harmonix themselves would continue this trend on their own with Rock Band Track Packs (bare-bones game discs with songs taken from the game's vast DLC library, for players stuck on consoles with no DLC or who want to get the songs for slightly cheaper), a LEGO Adaptation Game, and band-specific sequels.
amiibo
- Fridge Brilliance
- The amiibo Store Exclusives (North American, at least US), aside from the store-exclusive Link amiibo, tend to depend on certain factors.
  - Toys 'R' Us' Store Exclusives (right now) are Bowser Jr., Dark Hammer Slam Bowser, the Mii Fighters, Villager post-restock, Mega Yarn Yoshi, and formerly Lucario and Greninja.
    - Dark Hammer Slam Bowser is exclusively bundled with the Dark Edition of Skylanders Superchargers Racing for the Wii (the 3DS version doesn't have a Dark Edition); not only is Skylanders popular with kids, but Superchargers Racing on the Wii is the Daddy System counterpart of Superchargers on HD consoles - a little brother on what is as of 2015 a hand-me-down console, if you will.
D to F
- A Daddy System is not a prostitution ring.
  - Nor is it a set of tools or techniques men use to be better parents.
Dynasty Warriors
- Updated Re-release: Dynasty Warriors 6, which originally came out for the Playstation 3 and X Box 360, later had a "special" edition made for the Playstation 2. It added seven musou modes, but removed swimming and duels from the game. Not to mention the worse visuals due to the game being ported to a Daddy System.
Black/Matrix
- The Cameo: Faust's appearance in Black/Matrix 2 can be considered this. The circus mini-games in Black/Matrix 00 features characters from the earlier two games. Yes, B/M 00 was released so late in the PS1's life cycle that it has characters that originated from a PS2 game cameo in it.
Triggerheart Exelica
- After its arcade debut, the game was ported to various video game consoles; it was first released in 2007 for the Sega Dreamcast (yes, really) in Japan as its penultimate title^noteMileStone's Karous being the final one
Cyberpunk 2077
- Porting Disaster: Players of the PC version reported a number of minor-to-moderate bugs at launch which were annoying, but not enough to seriously wreck the game. But the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One versions of the game were a very different story. Among the more serious issues reported: textures that took twenty-plus seconds to load, pop-in so bad that players crashed their cars when other vehicles materialized right in front of them, frame rates that were so jittery and unstable that it caused motion sickness, AI enemies that flat-out forgot you existed during combat, graphics that made PS2 games look good in comparison, and the consoles crashing to the system dashboard. It was bad enough that a meme spread on launch day unfavorably comparing the PS4 and Xbox One versions of Cyberpunk 2077 to Nintendo 64 and PlayStation 1 games. CD Projekt Red delayed the game twice specifically because of the difficulties of getting it to run on Sony and Microsoft's Daddy Systems (not to mention that when the game was first announced back in 2012, the PS4 and Xbox One were about to be released as the next-gen consoles, leaving to heavy expectations that it should be able to work on those systems), leaving some fans wondering why CDPR even bothered instead of just making it a next-gen exclusive.
Madden NFL
- Broken Base:
  - The announcement that the PC version of 23 would not be getting the "next gen" updates available to the PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X|S versions, instead being based on the version for the previous gen consoles, made the PC gaming community absolutely livid. That version was already on hiatus from 08 until 19, making the news that (for at least one year) it would be deemphasized yet again hit extra hard.

No Context + Not an Example (5/25)

Pages Needing Wicks
- Daddy System (May 27, 2008)
Tropes Needing Examples
- Daddy System (20 examples)
Daddy System
The unabridged version can be read on both modern and classic TV Tropes!
Video Games (N to Z)
- PlayStation Home, a virtual world created by Sony for the PlayStation 3, effectively existed in a state of limbo for its entire lifespan. This article on Kotaku UK lays out the whole story of "Sony's most successful failure".
  - Home began life as an online mode for the PlayStation 2 game The Getaway: Black Monday, but soon expanded once Phil Harrison, vice president of Sony Europe, had a look at it and decided that it could be something far more. Harrison envisioned the project, then known internally as 'the Hub', as a 'space between games' that would function as a lobby system of sorts for a whole slew of games. While Harrison was able to secure funding for what was becoming his dream project, many of Sony's other executives didn't understand his vision for the Hub, a problem that would plague Home for its entire lifespan. The Japanese executives especially couldn't get their heads around it — to them, multiplayer gaming was a social activity where friends get together in the same room, the antithesis of the Hub's Western model of playing with strangers through online matchmaking. (A similar philosophy was visible in Nintendo's much-maligned "friend code" system.)
  - With the announcement of the PS3, what was now being called Home was soon positioned as a flagship title for the fledgling console. This led to a number of problematic design changes. The original animesque character style, for instance, was thrown out in favor of a more photo-realistic one designed to showcase the new console's power, but it soon turned out that having hundreds of such highly detailed, player-controlled characters in a virtual space (especially an online one) was incredibly taxing on the PS3's hardware; the number of avatars in any given space had to be capped at fifty. Furthermore, these more realistic models fell straight into the Uncanny Valley.
  - The greater world's introduction to Home came at E3 2007, in the form of an incredibly awkward presentation featuring the digital avatars of Sony executives Jack Tretton and Kaz Hirai. It was a poor first impression, and it added to the woes that the PS3 suffered early in its life cycle. Furthermore, Home missed its planned autumn 2007 release date, being pushed back into the following year.
  - Phil Harrison's departure from Sony at the beginning of 2008 produced a revolving door of producers, many of whom also didn't understand the concept of Home and whose expertise came in widely disparate fields. Oscar Clark, the man brought in to sort out the disorganized project, remarked that, in early 2008, there essentially wasn't a Home, the project having been filed with all manner of half-formed ideas.
  - When Home finally launched in December 2008 after more than a year of delays, it was an Obvious Beta. The massive amount of detail on the avatars and the worlds they inhabited produced outrageous load times of up to ten minutes, and there was a good chance players couldn't get into the areas they were trying to enter due to the strict, resource-mandated caps on the number of avatars in any given space. The team could do little to fix these problems, as they were small and underfunded and the bugs so numerous and deep-rooted; there's a reason the game never left its Perpetual Beta. There was little content to see either, and a number of features planned for later updates were scrapped. One such feature was the Hall of Fame, a personalized room where players could see physical, three-dimensional trophies corresponding to their achievements in various games; most studios, even Sony's second-party developers, saw designing dozens of unique trophies as a waste of time.
  - Developers' skepticism extended to Home in general. Few of them saw any point in creating virtual spaces and other content in Home for their games, especially given how difficult the process of creating such content was, and as a result, most of Home's actual content had little to do with video games. While a few companies like nDreams and Veemee did create a number of unique original games for Home, shopping for clothes, houses, yachts, and other items for players to customize their avatars with became the main activity. Home had gone from a gaming hub to a bizarro version of Second Life...
  - ...which actually allowed it to start turning a profit and develop a passionate fanbase. Commercially, it was a huge success in the long run, even if it was swiftly forgotten outside its cult following. In fact, it was precisely this financial success that caused Sony to wait until 2015, after the PS3 had become a Daddy System, to finally shut down its servers.
Crash Bandicoot
- Crash of the Titans (2007) — Cortex has been stealing mojo from the Temple of Zoom to create an army of Titans and is constructing a Humongous Mecha called the Doominator. He even goes as far as to capture Coco. However, Uka Uka decides to fire Cortex and appoint Nina in his place. She immediately takes over her uncle's operations and brainwashes Coco to work on the Doominator. Crash must stop Nina by "jacking" the various Titans they've created and using their powers to progress through the level. The first Crash game developed for seventh-generation consoles (Wii and Xbox 360, as well as the PS2, being the Daddy System it is) and the first main game developed by Radical Entertainment, it was most notable for the introduction of a major character redesign to the entire cast and a horde of Powerup Mounts in the eponymous Titans.

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GastonRabbit Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me

Sounds good on paper (he/him)

#2: May 1st 2024 at 10:29:16 PM

Opened. Personally, I'd prefer Media Notes over definition-only since this is tied to platforms and not works, in contrast to how Definition-Only Pages tied to video games, such as Speedrun, are tied to games and not systems.

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 1st 2024 at 12:30:21 PM

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.

Amonimus the Retromancer from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle

the Retromancer

#3: May 2nd 2024 at 2:03:00 AM

I don't think "a console system has support after the next-gen comes out" is even noteworthy becuase it's a given, the general "end of life of support" time is about 7 years after the release of the next system. If there's anything of note on the topic, those can be mentioned at respective consoles' descriptions, which they normally should be there already.

Some examples are misused as "a game recieves updates / new content after the sequel cames out", which is worth yarding as Trivia.

Edited by Amonimus on May 2nd 2024 at 12:04:24 PM

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Coachpill Can shapeshift (probably) from Washington State, grew up on Long Island Since: Aug, 2022 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!

Can shapeshift (probably)

#4: May 2nd 2024 at 6:05:26 AM

In favor of

Silver and gold, silver and gold

Azorius24 Accumulating Filibuster Counters from the Office of Naval Intelligence Sword Base (Troper Journeyman) Relationship Status: Non-Canon

Accumulating Filibuster Counters

#5: May 2nd 2024 at 6:26:30 AM

Also agree this is Chairs.

"The only thing which is certain, is that something will happen".

Riolugirl Rookie Trope Repairer from whence you came, you shall remain... (Experienced Trainee) Relationship Status: It's a god-awful small affair

Rookie Trope Repairer

#6: May 2nd 2024 at 6:46:59 AM

All points are valid and the proposal is sound.

"As long as I have my comrades with me, I can do anything!" (She/Her) (Current Focus: Cleaning Hell Is That Noise misuse)

Nen_desharu Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire from Greater Smash Bros. Universe or Toronto Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?

Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire

#7: May 2nd 2024 at 8:15:34 AM

Agreed.

It's time the Daddy System retires.

Edited by Nen_desharu on May 2nd 2024 at 11:15:59 AM

Kirby is awesome.

StarSword Captain of USS Bajor from somewhere in deep space Since: Sep, 2011

Captain of USS Bajor

#8: May 2nd 2024 at 8:17:06 AM

Yeah, I'm gonna say cut for this, not worth keeping.

animuacid Animu from Suginomiya district Since: Jan, 2024

Animu

#9: May 2nd 2024 at 8:19:19 AM

Either turn into Media Notes or the proposal in 3.

StalkerGamer Memetic Loser Mother Since: Dec, 2021 Relationship Status: Love is an open door

Memetic Loser Mother

#10: May 2nd 2024 at 9:07:46 AM

GastonRabbit Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me

Sounds good on paper (he/him)

#11: May 2nd 2024 at 10:09:02 AM

Cutting (as opposed to redirecting or disambiguating) is on the table if that's what's preferred. This has 954 inbounds since 2012 despite existing since 2008, so it's not doing too well in that department.

Yarding is a free action, so we can just sandbox the examples Amonimus mentioned if we strip this of its trope status (whether it's by cutting or moving to Media Notes).

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 2nd 2024 at 12:10:31 PM

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Amonimus the Retromancer from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle

the Retromancer

#12: May 2nd 2024 at 10:20:49 AM

For the record, I've voted for a cut, while yarding is just a nice suggestion anyone can pick up.

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RandomTroper123 She / Her from I'll let you guess... (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]

She / Her

#13: May 2nd 2024 at 11:03:10 AM

to cutting and yarding.

BlackMage43 Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love

#14: May 2nd 2024 at 2:12:31 PM

Edited by BlackMage43 on May 2nd 2024 at 2:12:40 AM

MorganWick (Elder Troper)

#15: May 3rd 2024 at 3:03:20 AM

I would only support a Media Notes move, at least without a rename, if this is a pre-existing term; as it stands it feels more like the intention is to trope game systems as if they were works themselves, and punting that sort of thing to Media Notes feels like a bad precedent. But it looks like consensus is leaning towards cutting anyway, so...

animuacid Animu from Suginomiya district Since: Jan, 2024

Animu

#16: May 3rd 2024 at 3:06:33 AM

It doesn't seem like a pre-existing term by the Google results. They come up with nothing about consoles but the TV Tropes page.

TMH-Sir-Iron-Vomit The clown of STEEL from Ichnusa Since: Mar, 2024

The clown of STEEL

#17: May 4th 2024 at 12:00:52 PM

I'd go for turning to Media Notes.

Oo oo ah ah

Coachpill Can shapeshift (probably) from Washington State, grew up on Long Island Since: Aug, 2022 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!

Can shapeshift (probably)

#18: May 5th 2024 at 11:03:03 AM

Should we holler for a crowner?

Silver and gold, silver and gold

Coachpill Can shapeshift (probably) from Washington State, grew up on Long Island Since: Aug, 2022 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!

Can shapeshift (probably)

#19: May 8th 2024 at 12:50:23 PM

Bump

Silver and gold, silver and gold

GastonRabbit MOD Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me

Sounds good on paper (he/him)

#20: May 8th 2024 at 8:35:50 PM

Crowner hooked since it seems to just be between either moving to Media Notes or cutting.

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.

RandomTroper123 She / Her from I'll let you guess... (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]

She / Her

#21: May 12th 2024 at 8:10:45 PM

I changed my mind and voted to move it to Media Notes.

Nen_desharu Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire from Greater Smash Bros. Universe or Toronto Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?

Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire

#22: May 12th 2024 at 8:37:31 PM

If moved to Media Notes, I'm in favour of renaming the trope as nowhere else uses the term "Daddy System" to refer to predecessor consoles concurrently released with successor consoles.

Edited by Nen_desharu on May 12th 2024 at 11:40:25 AM

Kirby is awesome.

GastonRabbit MOD Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me

Sounds good on paper (he/him)

#23: May 13th 2024 at 1:04:19 AM

Calling in favor of moving to Media Notes, but since renaming was suggested, I'll hook a crowner regarding whether to choose a clearer name.

Edit: Hooked.

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 13th 2024 at 3:06:30 AM

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Nen_desharu Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire from Greater Smash Bros. Universe or Toronto Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?

Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire

#24: May 13th 2024 at 3:42:02 PM

We should come up with new names.

I propose the name Cross-Generation Console or Cross-Generation Video Game Console or similar to mirror Cross-Generation Video Game.

Edited by Nen_desharu on May 13th 2024 at 6:42:46 AM

Kirby is awesome.

GastonRabbit MOD Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me

Sounds good on paper (he/him)

#25: May 16th 2024 at 4:42:59 AM

Calling in favor of renaming. We'll need a list of names, and probably also more time to come up with names.

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 16th 2024 at 6:43:13 AM

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.

Trope Repair Shop: Daddy System

13th May '24 1:06:11 AM

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Consensus was to move Daddy System (which refers to predecessor consoles concurrently released with successor consoles) to Media Notes since it's a concept related to Platforms instead of works, but renaming the page during the move was suggested because few (if any) other places use the term "Daddy System". Should it be renamed?

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