Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.
If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.
IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.
What goes through this thread?
- Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
- If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
- If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
- Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
- If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.
What does not go through this thread?
- New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
- Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
- Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
- If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
- Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
- Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
- Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
- Spelling and grammar fixes.
- Pothole changes.
- Minor rewordings.
- Spoiler tags.
While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:
- Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
- If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
- Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.
Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.
As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.
Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM
Not the Eye
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Dark Samus and Shigurui rewrites
The Complete Monster entry on MonsterVerse was a little while ago changed into a "See here and here" redirect to the Godzilla and King Kong CM pages. However, this creates a navigation problem for people looking to see a full listing of the MonsterVerse's CMs, as the Kraken from Skull Island (2023) is only listed on the Kong CM page and not the Godzilla CM page (which otherwise lists all the same MonsterVerse CMs as Kong) due to the Kraken originating in a solely Kong-featuring MonsterVerse work.
Should the MonsterVerse YMMV's CM link be changed back to its own full listing with this in mind?
Edited by Derv0sB2 on May 7th 2024 at 8:06:46 AM
Showtime!
I'd say it would make more sense to put the Kraken on both Monster.King Kong and Monster.Godzilla
Absolute destiny... apeachalypse?
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
But Godzilla is not in the cartoon.
By the way how many Monsterverse keepers do we have?
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
I think we should treat the Monsterverse like we treat other crossovers, put all their keepers on both pages
REALITY IS AN ILLUSION, THE UNIVERSE IS A HOLOGRAM, BUY GOLD BYEEEE! | She/Her
Showtime!
Monsterverse is still a Godzilla franchise. If we need to have all the Monsterverse...monsters on one page, that's what would make the most sense
Absolute destiny... apeachalypse?
Why was the page changed, again? I don't recall seeing that discussed anywhere.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
I'm fine with the rewrites.
Unless Godzilla appears, the Kraken should probably stay only at the Kong page.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
The wifi here sucks
I'm with Agent regarding the monsterverse
Hope your prepared for an unforgettable luncheon
Fine with the rewrites, I'm also in agreement that the Kraken should be on the Godzilla page as well.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Also, to clarify, that's half a day every year for Kogan? As in, 1/730 of every year?
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Well, dang.
Edited by ACW on May 7th 2024 at 1:37:42 PM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
… yes, I put the time he’s functional for in accurately.
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Gotta respect how efficient at being an asshole he is with such little time to be sane!
Edited by PassingThrough on May 7th 2024 at 1:56:56 PM
Not the Eye
That is a good point.
Never mind, I will wait for trilogy to finish before updating Psycho-Pirate.
Edited by EmperorGeode on May 7th 2024 at 1:42:57 AM
Lies and Violence!
Would it be better to wait for part 3 before updating? Not that I think there will be anything disqualifying, but if he gets any new stand out crimes it might be better to have everything laid out so you won't have to condense/change that later, since it's already looking pretty big.
Edited by EmeraldEmperor on May 7th 2024 at 4:24:44 AM
Lies and Violence!
Sorry to double post, but should the new Darth Maul character be before or after Momin, chronologically? The latter’s big CM act is in the past, but it’s a short flashback when the bulk of his presence is in the time of the Empire long after the Emissary has been defeated.
Edited by EmeraldEmperor on May 7th 2024 at 5:17:14 AM
Goku Black
Before imo since this Momin's comic is set after that stuff.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Not the Eye
Put the Emissary on the top (of folder).
Edited by EmperorGeode on May 7th 2024 at 2:27:25 AM
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Yeah, I'm fine with either. I just put Momin first since he was around earlier, but if we're going by the main comic, whatever.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
A Girl, Just One of Many Kinds
Just some additions onto Dr. Von Kook:
- "The Tragic Events of September - Part 1": Dr. Charlie Von Kook is a religious fanatic and denture maker, acting as a surgeon in a run down trailer park, and was the one to personally deliver the Evelyn Twins. A staunch advocate and financer of F.A.S.T.E.N for Siamese separation, when Von Kook sees the Twins’ conjoined status, he immediately attempts to rip the two girls in half with a chainsaw while spouting religious proverbs, and his death ends up killing the twins' father as well, resulting in the beginning of the girls' harsh life.
Edited by MermaidEyes15 on May 7th 2024 at 9:19:39 AM
Keep Fighting. Keep Loving.
I’ll take a potato chip… and EAT IT!
I'm with ACW. If the MonsterVerse entries are being split up between Godzilla and Kong's pages (Why?), putting the Kraken on both of them makes no sense since Godzilla isn't involved in Skull Island.
Edited by Arawn999 on May 7th 2024 at 7:38:32 AM
I have a very small edit to request. In the entry for Mi'Goea, the line "Mi'Goea coldly says that doesn't care that his Hybrids are all dead", I request that "he" be added between "that" and "doesn't". I must've glossed over that in the original write up. Again, small thing but I'm pedantic about that.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Oh, yeah, that's an easy fix.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Honestly, as we were discussing this elsewhere, I'm actually going to challenge Kook's inclusion. It's a grotesque singular act and I'd be willing to cut him slack in a vacuum but the other villain is also into child abuse... specifically pimping orphaned kids and using them for child porn before disposing of them when they become teenagers and with her in the work I don't think the doctor has quite enough uniqueness—visceral as what he attempts is—to really stand out.
Showtime!
Yeah i said that but i think it got buried in the shuffle
Absolute destiny... apeachalypse?