Welcome to the Trope Pantheons thread! Please read the rules:
Rules
Rules. The following are not suggestions or tips, but things that have to be followed:
- When writing a profile, take note of the following:
- Gods cannot be followers or high priests for obvious reasons. The 'gods' have ascended meaning there is no need for said character to be a follower of another if they have ascended.
- No hype profiles, please. 'Hype Profiles' are profiles that have been made out of ongoing events and have not been around for a long time. This creates 'hype' due to popularity and certain elements either through certain scenes, memes, dramatic acting or considered overly awesome. They are not bad tropes but building a portfolio solely for that is a bad idea, as they do not say a thing about representing the trope best (unless it's those trope concepts that they are trying to embody for a long time)
- You can see one if the profile is only showing off how awesome they are or suddenly pushing how 'significant' they are thanks to the just very recent events rather than respecting the longstanding good representations of the trope. And usually having... minimum portfolio or flavor texts and being a bit too generalized or self-contained to events from within their home series instead of interacting with other Pantheon members.
- When posting in the forum, take note of the following:
- When you suggest a God, please explain why they fit the trope. Not everyone is going to understand just "X should be the God of Y because they exemplify the trope" off the bat, especially if they're unfamiliar with the work.
- You must use the Trope Pantheons discussion thread
in the forums if you wish to add a new deity, story, something else of importance to the Trope Pantheon canon, or reworking an existing deity (be it simply improving their existing profile or changing their title).
- For new and reworked deities, 3
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]")
means the profile will have a one week waiting period.
- For new and reworked deities, 4 is a 3 day waiting period.
- 5 is an automatic ascension for new and reworked deities.
- Speaking of reworks, for anyone that wants to improve such profiles, they have to review the current trope the character(s) has and see if it still holds up or if there is a better rep for their trope.
- For new and reworked deities, 3
- For adding new Treasures to The Great Treasury or new Dominions to the Dominions, the following rules apply:
- For new Treasures or Dominions, 3 is a 3 day waiting period.
- 4 is an automatic addition to the Great Treasury or Dominions.
- For new Treasures or Dominions, 3
- Do not repost a profile in the forums more than twice in a day if noticeable changes have not been made in between. If a profile is posted a third time in a row without noticeable alterations, it will be downvoted. This is so spamming of no-effort profiles is less frequent and to prevent tropers from getting aggravated seeing the same profile over and over. The minimum acceptable change has to be a single flavour text.
- The Pantheon is not a mouthpiece for you to voice your opinions on certain characters. You may like certain characters more than others, but do not make the mistake of making profiles for characters you like look like Character Shilling.
- Tropers new to the Pantheon are barred from approving or downvoting profiles until they have ascended at least two profiles.
- Do not include fan reception in any profiles. It has nothing to do with the character themselves and will create unnecessary conflict.
- Write a detailed explanation on why the character is the best candidate for deity of that trope. If people disagree with you, do not force it on the people.
- Keep in mind that if you still want to try to find a trope for a particular character, you are only given three chances to find a particular trope for them. If a suggestion goes past three possible tropes, then it will come off as shoehorning a character into the Pantheon just for the sake of that character to be there.
- On a related note, even if a character does have a free trope being suggested, there is still a limit of three attempts for suggesting that character for that trope. If no one responds to that certain proposal after being posted three times, then it will get to the point where the idea will be seen as being shoehorned into the Pantheon. In addition, the idea needs to be considered acceptable and approved because they are good, not for the sake of pitying others because no one is responding to their idea.
- When posting Pantheon related stuff to the wiki, take note of the following:
- Do not put a link to these Pantheon pages into the main wiki page. The moment you want to add in a main Characters page that the character is a God of this trope, do not do it. If you see leftovers of this practice, inform the forum and use the cutlist. This also goes to the Trivia page. The only exception to this rule is if a page in the Pantheon could be confused for a page in Main, like Good Colors, Evil Colors and Good and Evil Colors.
- Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment ALSO applies here. Do not bring things that would incite fights, even if it is what is currently the hot topic and might be 'urgent'. For example, the political scene and some really bad politicians. We are not here to fight at each other, so don't suggest things that go to that direction, this is a fictional Pantheon after all.
- To add a Pantheon page for a certain work, 4 or more characters coming from the same series/franchise should be ascended before adding the page. For Creator specific pages, 4 deities coming from the same creator and 2 individual work pages coming from the same creator is the minimum to warrant a page.
- Do not create a trope page for a story until the story is fully completed.
Instructions and Tips
Here are some tips one should keep in mind when editing:
- Preparing to write:
- First thing to do before present a profile is to go to the Trope Pantheons discussion thread. In the forums, you must discuss with other users on adding ideas and seek their approval with sound reasoning. You can also get some assistance in the forum thread by either asking for help and those interested asking if they can help. Submissions that are added without discussion are likely to be deleted and those who violate those rules by adding Pantheon content without discussion will get reported to the mods.
- If you feel the need to remove a character for some reason (poor quality, outdated titles, etcetera) and replace him/her with another or outright rework, please see what the other tropers think about this in the discussion thread before doing anything hasty. Use good reasoning to see if your idea can easily replace the character present without drawing out your statement or giving too ambiguous claims most do not understand.
- Please be sure to consult others in the discussion about what you want to work before making the profile. This is done to see if your proposal is the best representative and so, in case your profile is turned down, you do not waste time writing something that others might not find suitable.
- In the same vein, if you adopt a profile from another troper, it is recommended that you make an announcement that you have done so on the discussion thread. More often than not, a trope that was reserved for something was given away to someone else. Check the Related tab on the top of a page to see if a trope or character has been reserved by a user.
- In the same vein, if you adopt a profile from another troper, it is recommended that you make an announcement that you have done so on the discussion thread
- If, for whatever reason, you are writing about a God who just happens to be a person in real life, just try to be very careful about what you decide to say. Do not try to make the editing seem too meta (self-referential) and use the aformentioned creativity to create hypothetical scenarios towards fictional characters.
- First thing to do before present a profile is to go to the Trope Pantheons discussion thread
- When writing a profile for a character, here are a few things to note:
- All deities should be sorted by their divine ranking. Put Overdeities on the top of the page and Quasideities on the bottom. Also be sure to add them in alphabetical order by their first/given name (can be reversed if it is Eastern ordered). For a group, if there is no official name for them all list down all their names by order of relevance or (if too long to list) title them as Insert Name Here Main Characters or some other identifiable title along the same lines.
- The maximum number of tropes that a god can have is two, but do not try to abuse that fact. If you need to use a second trope to specify a certain thing about their position, that can be excused either because said character represents their trope choice very well alongside the first trope. It is still generally encouraged to only have one trope.
- A trope can only belong to one profile at a time. The only time two profiles can share a trope is if there are explicit variations listed in the trope page proper (e.g. Muscle Angst is held by both Biscuit Krueger and Chihiro Fujisaki as the former represents "Too Much Muscle" and the latter represents "Not Enough Muscle")
- If the character you are about to add to a House already exists in another, make sure to mention that this person has spots in other House as well. Up to 2 places can be made for a deity, with the sole exceptions being those at the Main House to highlight those characters’ importance to the Pantheon’s lore.
- For a character's theme song, try to avoid calling it "Theme of God X" or "Theme of (Show where God X originates from)". If possible, try to find out if the song has an actual name through research. Most importantly, it has to be part their series’ official soundtracks from media. Do not list songs that are made by fans or outside sources. If they were not specifically used as music for that specific character, then they do not count. Furthermore, it has to be a general theme specifically made for that characters’ appearances, not some generic music that plays for many other instances not related to the character in question.
- For images, when adding an image for your chosen character, it is highly recommended to use a stylized image that embodies the character or renders that also highlights a character’s behavior (such as cool poses). Most images should be from the main adaptations of the character, unless the images from the other media are of a higher quality than the adaptation. Unless it is needed, do not use fanart for images. If you are, please attribute to the original artist. Due to the website’s dark mode, removing white backgrounds from an image is paramount. This website is suggested to do the background removal. If an image you have takes up too much bytes, it is suggestible to use this site to reduce the byte size. If the byte is still too big, put the compressed image to other sites (or even the same one) to compress even further. Use wikias to look for better images, as even wikias for the series might not contain good official images.
- Creativity is your friend. While it is not recommended to get too ditzy at your ideas, it is best that when writing a profile for a certain character, do you think of capable scenarios between X and Y. Tip: do not use shallow examples (X wields a sword and Y wields one too) and try to think of relationships that makes sense (i.e those characters that are shout-outs for another).
- Pantheon Content:
- Some series or genres will eventually have greater representation in the Pantheon than others. This is unavoidable, but a little diversity helps to make you not look like a shill per say. Try to ensure that if you add a deity from a popular series, make sure that it is because they are a good representative for the trope in question, and not just because they are connected to another deity in their respective canon.
- As far as deities from actual mythologies, there is generally expectation to build the profiles off interactions from fictional portrays rather than basing it entire from the actual myth. Therefore, a mythological deity should be more of a Composite Character whose main identity is from the actual myth.
- Occasionally there will be Gods that carry a title without a trope. This is not forbidden, but it is well advised not to abuse them. The only house that a tropeless profile are wholly allowed is the House of Food. Mainly due to most food items lacking tropes, and adding tropes about said foodstuffs is slightly unnecessary. However, the character being ascended for their choice of a food, or food-related thing must be a decently good representative of said item. (i.e their Trademark Favorite Food, or something that they are closely associated with In-Universe, or both).
- For Dominions and Treasures profiles, always consider what made those places/objects popular in the first place. Were they plot-important, identifiable imagery or have a unique aspect of it? Do not just bring regular objects under the basis of following a certain canon.
- Some series or genres will eventually have greater representation in the Pantheon than others. This is unavoidable, but a little diversity helps to make you not look like a shill per say. Try to ensure that if you add a deity from a popular series, make sure that it is because they are a good representative for the trope in question, and not just because they are connected to another deity in their respective canon.
- For Profile Standards:
- Flavor text is used to describe certain things about a character, place or object. To avoid short ones, it is recommended to write flavor text with 4-7 sentences that can fill around 2 lines each. Be warned that adding too many sentences does not equal good flavor text as it is not an essay of sorts (unless words are substantial and do add to the overall line).
- Character Profiles of a certain person should have the following:
- A portfolio that contains at least 7 (at the minimum) tropes describing their character.
- Flavor text count for a deity profile should have by minimum, 10 (depending if the character in question has enough relationships/characterization) to 15 with a maximum of 20-25 for an individual profile.
- On the other hand, group profiles (profiles of a group that has 4 or more members) have their maximum flavor text count to 15 minimum, giving individual lines for the other members of the group (unless the members are not as characterized) up to 30 at max.
- Dominion profiles of a certain place should have the following:
- A portfolio that contains at least 5 (at the minimum) tropes describing the context of the place.
- Flavor text count should range at least 10 to 15.
- Treasure profiles (inanimate objects without a trope) should have the following:
- A portfolio that contains at least 6 (at the minimum) tropes that describes the object itself.
- Flavor text count should be at least 7 flavor text up to 12 to constitute a treasure profile.
Divine Ranking System
- Overdeity: Omnipotent-level Reality Warpers capable of manipulating the entire universe (or at least the world) at will. Within their own universe they are believed to be omnipotent, or at least impossible-to-completely-destroy embodiments or concepts.
- Greater Gods: High-level Reality Warpers and that are extremely powerful (capable of destroying or changing anywhere from a large city to a planet at will) and very strong non-reality warpers capable of doing the same thing.
- Intermediate Gods: Deities at this level are capable of strong but specialized powers such as hydrokinesis, pyrokinesis, etc. without major drawbacks and low level Reality Warpers capable of affecting their immediate area at will.
- Lesser Gods: Capable of highly specific or little power on their own, or suffer from Power at a Price. However, they may be able to ruthlessly exploit their power or combine it with just being badass enough to make up for it.
- Demigods: Basically the Badass Normals of the pantheon, making up for their lack of abilities with strength, strategy, and/or planning.
- Quasideities: Any otherwise normal human, human equivalent, or below without any special powers or training will fall here.
Templates
Template for adding a new deity:
God X, God/dess of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)
- An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
- Rank: This can range from Quasideity, Demigod, Lesser God, Intermediate God, Greater God, to Overdeity, based on representation of power mentioned above.
- Symbol: An image or icon used to represent the deity.
- Theme Song: Official song (in other words, no fan music, regardless of quality) that usually is used in affiliation with the character. If the deity is a musician this will most likely be their Signature Song. If possible, give a link for reference, preferably on either a website like Soundcloud or YouTube.
- Alignment: Good, evil, neutral etc. Forget about The Great Character Alignment Debate here, the Pantheon is one of the few places where you can assign Dungeons & Dragons alignment to characters that don't have alignment system. After all, the Pantheon is based on D&D and is made for fun.
- For Pokémon deities only:
- Gender: Defines the gender of the Pokémon; if genderless, it instead defines what gender they identify as.
- Ability: Provides the Pokémon's ability. If they can Mega Evolve, the new ability is listed as well.
- Moves: Defines the four moves used by a Pokémon. A Z-Move may also be listed.
- Portfolio: Tropes associated with the character.
- Domains: Things that the character has influence over.
- Herald: Non-ascended loyal character that is from the same series as the ascended character.
- High Priest: Non-ascended like heralds, but not from the same series, and can serve as a worthy replacement in case something would happen. They can be served as part-time workers in case the originals are busy with some jobs. Co-Godhood is accepted depending on the approval of the originals, usually if the co-deity is from the same series.
- Followers: Non-ascended characters that are not part of the Pantheon, but would probably worship this character by the fact that they share the ascended character's trope.
- Relationships between ascended characters go here with your chosen character, it goes something like this:
- Allies: Members of the Pantheon that are allies, those that share the same values as them and would theoretically be friends with them.
- Rivals: Members of the Pantheon that are rivals, people who may look at your character with suspicion or a challenge.
- Enemies: Members of the Pantheon that are foes, those who would see your chosen character as a threat, either on their pespective or yours.
- Additional Character Relationships: Members of the Pantheon that do not fit in various relationships (examples include Enemy Mine, Vitriolic Best Buds, Teeth-Clenched Teamwork, Headbutting Heroes, Friendly Enemy, Friendly Rival, Just Friends, etc.), allies, rivals, or enemies.
- Partner: Defines a partnership with an ascended deity and Mon-type. (if any)
- Feared by/Fears: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon notably fear or are feared by.
- Respected by/Respects: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon respect or are respected by.
- Opposed by/Opposes: Not necessarily the same as "Enemies", but this is used for any deity whom the members of the Pantheon directly opposes or is opposed by (basically the opposite of "Respects") terms of certain viewpoints, regardless of alignment.
- Pitied by/Pities: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon feel pity for or are found pitiable by.
- Conflicting Opinion: Sometimes, the Deities argue over specific themes and philosophies.
- Add the Intro. The intro is made up of two trivia, the Ascension Text (or just the Ascension) and The Bio. Both are necessary, but which order you use for them may vary depending on the profile in question. It may be better for one profile to have The Bio first and the Ascension second or vice-versa, although for the most part the order is irrelevant:
- The Ascension Text: This the story of how the character got into the Pantheon and/or was ascended. There are many ways for this to happen. They may be tricked into it or have simply wandered into the Pantheon, they may have had an already ascended character bring them in, they may already be in the Pantheon (via being another deity's Herald or sharing a trope) and got "promoted", or some combination of the above. Anything is possible in the Pantheon, so use your imagination, but try to incorporate their trope into the story, if possible.
- The Bio: A brief synopsis on the character's backstory. No need for the character's entire life/production history, but just give enough that those who don't know the character can get an idea of how the character works.
- Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
- And some more trivia/facts.
- And a couple of more.
- Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Deities/Characters is 10-15 (15-20 for group profiles) at minimum to 20-25 (30 for group profiles) at maximum.
Template for Dominions profiles:
Place X, Place of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)
- An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
- Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
- Alignment: Refers to the dominion's role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
- Portfolio: Tropes associated with the dominion.
- Domains: Things that the place has links to.
- Relationships (Optional): Unless the location has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the dominion is linked to, note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said dominion, good or evil otherwise.
- Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Dominion is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
- Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
- And some more trivia/facts.
- And a couple of more.
- Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Dominions is 10 at minimum to 15 at maximum.
Template for Treasure profiles:
The name of the item in here (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)
- An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
- Appearance: A shortened description of the item's looks with some notable features also mentioned.
- Class: Refer to the Treasure Classification System in the Great Treasury.
- Alignment: Refers to the objects' role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
- Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
- Museum Check: A note that says whether the item is viewable by the public.
- Portfolio: Tropes associated with the item.
- Domains: Things that the item has links to.
- Relationships (Optional): Unless the item has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the item is linked to (especially the original owner of the item), note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said object, good or evil otherwise.
- Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Treasure is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
- Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
- And some more trivia/facts.
- And a couple of more.
- Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Treasures is 7 at minimum to 12 at maximum.
Edited by Willbyr on May 24th 2021 at 7:52:09 AM
AzureLegacy
Since: Sep, 2018
#207527: Apr 21st 2024 at 8:35:57 PM
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Fate Gilgamesh has gone through the exact same Character Development as his mythic counterpart, if not more so. He's a Jerk with a Heart of Gold, and his mood and personality depends on what era he's summoned and what class he's in.
Fix it and you get an ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/thumbs_up_emote.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
Edited by AzureLegacy on Apr 21st 2024 at 8:36:20 AM
NitroIndigo
♀ | Small ripples lead to big waves
from West Midlands region, England
Since: Jun, 2021
Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
♀ | Small ripples lead to big waves
#207530: Apr 21st 2024 at 10:22:09 PM
r-lock256
(Spin-off Series)
#207532: Apr 22nd 2024 at 1:57:27 PM
Rough draft for Mr. Limpet, a shy human who prefers fish, turned into one, and would help the US Navy sink Nazi U-Boats.
Looking for interactions and ideas. Also, if I'm going to be getting ideas for interacting with deities related to warfare and WWII (it's a character from that time period), I'm only interested in deities related to Naval warfare as a method of combat regarding WWII ideas.
Henry Limpet, God of Aquatic Transformations
Limpet as a fish (Left, with Crusty on top) and when he was a human (Right)
- Demigod
- Symbol: A fish with glasses
- Alignment: Lawful Good
- Portfolio: Toon Transformation from Human to Fish, Like a Duck Takes to Water, Blind Without 'Em, Animal Talk, Super-Scream, A Fish who Participated in WWII
- Domains: Transformation, Navy, Fish
- Heralds: Ladyfish, Crusty, George Stickle
- Allies: Flipper, Ecco
- Enemies: Joe (Help! I’m a Fish)
- Henry Limpet is a shy bookkeeper who is very fascinated with fish to the point of wishing that he could be one of them. He gets his wish after falling off a pier and turning into a tilefish. After getting himself accustomed to being an aquatic creature and making friends with a couple of them, the United States gets involved with World War II and Limpet decides that it’s the perfect opportunity to help the US Navy after being previously rejected by them for having poor eyesight. With the help of his friend George Stickle, Limpet uses his “thrum” to help the Navy sink Nazi U-Boats and is successfully able to thwart the Nazi’s counterattack plan involving missiles that home in on the sound. Having found his purpose in life and finding love with Ladyfish, Limpet bids farewell to his former wife Bessie (who married Stickle afterwards) and has since been involved with other aquatic creatures.
- (ascension)
- The last anyone (or at least Stickle) heard of Limpet was when he was out training dolphins. Regardless of how that turned out, Limpet learned that there were some highly intelligent dolphins who were unlike anything he had discovered beforehand. This came in the form of Flipper, who has helped humans out on a regular basis against various enemies, and Ecco, who has fought against aliens and traveled across time to prevent terrible futures from happening. It was just a small taste of how distinct aquatic life can be in terms of what can be accomplished even if two creatures are of the same species. It didn’t take long for Limpet to get along with these two dolphins and they have proven to work great with him.
- Joe was one fish who Limpet found to be troubling for many reasons, not the least of which was having an antidote that not only could increase a fish’s intelligence, but turn them into human. While Joe couldn’t care less about the exact reasons why the formerly human Limpet turned into a fish, he still thinks Limpet shouldn’t be using his abilities to help other humans. That hasn’t stopped the rather dark thought of using the antidote to revert Limpet back into a human and drowning him from crossing Joe’s mind as the pilot fish found it to be darkly amusing to see someone else die the same way he once did. As much as Limpet prefers being a fish over being a human, he believes that one shouldn’t declare their superiority over others based on his experiences and has done what he can to thwart Joe’s plans of using fish to overthrow humanity, especially considering how Joe is planning to kill him.
Edited by r-lock256 on Apr 22nd 2024 at 1:59:11 AM
uwu
#207533: Apr 22nd 2024 at 2:06:26 PM
Ariel is a mermaid who turned into a human. Also, Mr. Limpet made a cameo in The Little Mermaid (1989). Operation Kraken is a secret Nazi project that involves attacks with U-Boats.
Edited by Excessive-Menace on Apr 22nd 2024 at 2:06:40 AM
THE GOLDEN AGE WILL RETURN AGAIN!
#207534: Apr 22nd 2024 at 2:27:27 PM
I wonder how Aquaman and Namor would react to him. For bonus points, these aquatic superheroes both debuted out of universe during WWII
Edited by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 on Apr 22nd 2024 at 10:46:32 PM
Mr
#207535: Apr 22nd 2024 at 2:36:15 PM
The fact that Jonah sinks ships with his clumsiness and bad luck could take down quite a few Nazi boats if he could get onto them.
Rmpdc
Ghoulish Brain Worm
from Philippines
Since: May, 2015
Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Ghoulish Brain Worm
#207536: Apr 22nd 2024 at 4:58:14 PM
@ r-lock: German U-boats, you say? Operation Kraken is a joint Nazi German and Imperial Japanese operation intent on performing a sneak attack on the mainland United States, specifically the cities of New York, Boston, and Washington DC. To achieve this, they've utilized a fleet of specially modified Type VII U-boats, I-400 class aircraft carrying submarines, English-speaking Waffen-SS agents, specially modified and seaborne-launched V2 rockets, and, most notably, a fleet aircraft carrier with fully operational squadrons of fighters and bombers.
Wilhelm "Deathshead" Strasse was responsible for helping the Nazi Germany of his timeline win World War II through the use of advanced technology. Among these include several advanced U-boat designs that are around 20 years ahead of any equivalent Allied submarine. These subs devastated the American and British fleets in both the Atlantic and Pacific Theaters.
The Nemesis Squadron utilizes German U-boats to supply their Imperial Japanese allies with advanced weapons components, most notably jet engine prototypes, blueprints for wunderwaffe, and, of course, German military advisors.
As for allies, he'd definitely be a worthy ally of Lt. Karl Fairburne, the man on the Allied side most responsible for stopping Operation Kraken originally. In addition, Fairburne also blew up a top-secret U-boat base in the Mediterranean (alongside a Body Double of Adolf Hitler).
Lt. Mike Powell and Lt. James Patterson are members of the Office of Strategic Service who have sabotaged and sunk a number of German U-boats in various sub pens located in Norway and France, several of which were advanced prototypes or housed prototype technology.
The Battlehawks are an Eagle Squadron established under the direct supervision of the British SOE, tasked with "setting Europe ablaze", i.e. stopping any and all Axis operations by any means necessary. Among these included the sinking of a number of German U-boats operating in the Pacific, specifically those used by the aforementioned Nemesis.
Edited by Rmpdc on Apr 22nd 2024 at 8:08:21 PM
"We are gonna sit here, and take it!"
DoodSlayer136
Woagh
from Pizza Tower
(Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Woagh
#207537: Apr 22nd 2024 at 5:33:23 PM
Ight, here's the first draft of Atlas and P-Body, two robots that were created by GLaDOS for the purpose of either testing Co-op tests or solving problems GLaDOS couldn't. So:
- Any deities from games that highly encourage, if not outright require, Co-op gameplay?
- Any deities that were created for a specific task?
- Anyone else with portal creating abilities?
- Anyone good at solving puzzles?
Atlas and P-Body, Duo Deities of Co-Op (Blue (Atlas), Orange (P-Body), Killing Machines)
- Demideities
- Symbol: Their "heads" detached from their body
- Theme Song: Ready For Testing
- Alignment: Lawful Neutral
- Portfolio: Work Together During Tasks, Ambiguous Gender, Very Endearing Robots, Simply Rebuilt After "Death", Electronic Speech Impediment, Fat and Skinny, True Companions Who Aren't Above Messing With Each Other
- Domains: Robots, Co-Op, Tests, Emotion
- Superior: GLaDOS
- Allies: Johnny Five, WALL•E and EVE, Bastion,
- Enemies: TBA
- Admired By: Cave Johnson
- Additional Relationships: Chell, Sentry Turrets
- Atlas and P-Body are two robots made with one purpose: testing. You see, Aperture Science had a massive number of testing chambers that required two people to complete, and none of them were ever solved with humans. When the test-obsessed AI GLaDOS took over the Enrichment Center, she eventually came up with a solution: robots. Re-purposing a Core and Sentry Turret, GLaDOS created Atlas and P-Body to be the perfect test subjects, able to work together to solve any test she could throw at them. Over time, their partnership and human personalities grew closer and closer as well, to the point that GLaDOS couldn't pit the against each other when she tried to do so for fun, to her annoyance. Still, they were the perfect test subjects that she was looking for, so she eventually set them out on a real task: locate a vault filled with hundreds of preserved humans so she can use them for testing, having missed testing human subjects. Sure enough, Atlas and P-Body managed to complete this task, even using their more human personalities to open the vault. GLaDOS, now not needing the two, blew up and shelved them... for a whole week before killing all of her new test subjects, forcing her to bring back Atlas and P-Body for a new task: find whatever was messing with her mainframe and kill it. Once again, the duo managed to overcome the obstacles in their quest and found and removed the source (A bird), with GLaDOS keeping them alive this time for future testing.
- And for a while, their lives were just more tests from GLaDOS, who while bored with her immortal test subjects figured it'd be a waste not to use them for something. This kept going even after GLaDOS, and the Enrichment Center alongside it, ascended to The Pantheon, with the AI getting more involved with the outer world. Thing is, being stuck inside the Center, she naturally had trouble actually doing anything with her newfound surroundings. That's where Atlas and P-Body, once again, come in: after putting them through, you guessed it, more tests to examine their potential, she had them sent out into The Pantheon to act as sort of "errand robots". What this means tends to change: sometimes she just needs some materials to maintain the center, sometimes she needs to meet with someone that caught her eye, ect. Whatever it is, she had Atlas and P-Body do it for her, with them often working together to accomplish said goal. This went on long enough that they were eventually given titles for themselves, having made a name for themselves though their teamwork. Due to lacking the maliciousness of their master, they've even managed to land a few friends along the way, albeit ones that wisely stay out of their jobs involving the murderous AI.
uwu
#207538: Apr 22nd 2024 at 5:46:29 PM
Hershel Layton is an expert at solving puzzles.
#207539: Apr 22nd 2024 at 7:04:38 PM
You might want to consider banter with C-3PO and R2-D2, two bantering robots of differing sizes that are Vitriolic Best Buds with each other
I would like to give Hans Landa The Villain Must Be Punished though I am not sure how to word it. My reasoning is this; the Big Bad Hans Landa is a cunning Nazi colonel who manages to broker an arrangement with the Basterds where when faced with certain doom, he'll collaborate with their assassination of the Nazi high command. By all rights, he's set himself up to be a Karma Houdini and as part of the arrangement the Basterds can't kill him. However, they refuse to let a Nazi get away without some punishment...nothing says they can't give him "something he can't take off", carving a swastika as an eternal reminder of who he really is and that he may get his pardon, but he will not live in peace
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I'll keep that in mind and PM you when I'm looking for advice.
Edited by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 on Apr 23rd 2024 at 3:48:16 AM
Rmpdc
Ghoulish Brain Worm
from Philippines
Since: May, 2015
Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Ghoulish Brain Worm
#207540: Apr 22nd 2024 at 7:48:25 PM
. Sounds like a good idea imo. If you need interaction suggestions, I'll be willing to provide as usual.
NitroIndigo
♀ | Small ripples lead to big waves
from West Midlands region, England
Since: Jun, 2021
Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
♀ | Small ripples lead to big waves
#207541: Apr 22nd 2024 at 10:16:30 PM
@r-lock: Tobias of the Animorphs also permanently transformed himself into an animal and was much happier with it, and fought in a war.
@DoodSlayer: Lenna has a clone called Shadow Lenna who exists so a second player can join, though she's optional.
GastonRabbit
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
from Robinson, Illinois, USA
(General of TV Troops)
Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
#207542: Apr 23rd 2024 at 1:54:12 AM
TRS merged Girl Powered with Gender-Restricted Ability, so I replaced the wicks for the former with the latter.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
lawliet-saw-whet
Resident Trope Lurker
from Your Head, In Your Head, Zombie, Zombie
Since: Sep, 2014
Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
Resident Trope Lurker
#207543: Apr 23rd 2024 at 2:27:14 AM
@DoodSlayer136 - Atlas and P-Body
@r-lock256 - Henry Limpet
- To add to the Little Mermaid suggestion, I would also suggest Ariel's daughter Melody as well. Due to her mermaid heritage, she became fascinated with the ocean. But due to her unusual interests, she is not accept by her peers. When she learns of the existence of merfolk, she wanted to become like them and be a mermaid. She did get her wish, only for her to discover that ocean life isn't that much different, and she eventually learns self-acceptance. Although she eventually return and remains a human by the end of the film, her love for the ocean and her merfolk relatives is not lost on her.
@DoodSlayer136 - Atlas and P-Body
- Co-op
- There's Battleblock Theater - The game's narrator is in here and the titular Battleblock Theater is here as well.
- There's also Left 4 Dead - They are also from a Valve created co-op multiplayer have that I would imagine requires teamwork to stay alive. The Green Flu Survivors are here.
- I'm also taking a page from Teamwork Puzzle Game and add Banjo and Kazooie (see entry on Banjo-Tooie),
- Robots doing a specific task:
- Technically, most of the Androids from Detroit: Become Human are built for specific jobs. To make the interaction more simpler, I would like to see an interaction with Connor (both his machine and deviant versions). Connor is an basically an Android who was built and serve Cyberlife to help investigate and stop Deviants (basically robots who gained sentience). But throught his interactions with other Deviants, he started to have conflicting feelings. At some point, he has a choice to stay as machine and continue serving the mission he was programmed to do or be a deviant and rebel against his creators.
- I would imagine Deviant!Connor would be interested in the duo since they learn and show a lot of human like traits. The reason why he hasn't fully converted them into deviants is because he doesn't want to be conflict with his machine counterpart. Machine!Connor is allies with GLaDOS and to be with GLaDOS's good graces, likely keeps an eye on them to insure they get their job done or not fully turn into deviant, which prevents them from doing their job.
- Technically, most of the Androids from Detroit: Become Human are built for specific jobs. To make the interaction more simpler, I would like to see an interaction with Connor (both his machine and deviant versions). Connor is an basically an Android who was built and serve Cyberlife to help investigate and stop Deviants (basically robots who gained sentience). But throught his interactions with other Deviants, he started to have conflicting feelings. At some point, he has a choice to stay as machine and continue serving the mission he was programmed to do or be a deviant and rebel against his creators.
- Portal creating deities includes but not limited to: Rick and Morty, BK and Mira, Hoopa and SCP-105 (aka Iris Thompson)
Siegfried1337
Unofficial co-Wiki Curator for Magnificent Bastard
from the Ashes
Since: Sep, 2018
Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Unofficial co-Wiki Curator for Magnificent Bastard
#207544: Apr 23rd 2024 at 2:39:28 AM
Some breaking news, the Trope Fanart At First Sight was cut. What should we do about Tangle and Lemur?
You'll have to wait until we can decide on a proper trope replacement for them. Also is this your first time here?
Edited by Siegfried1337 on Apr 23rd 2024 at 2:42:24 AM
MB Pending | MB Drafts | MB Dates
Animu
#207545: Apr 23rd 2024 at 2:39:32 AM
A TRS thread decided to outright cut the trope Fanart At First Sight. What should I do with this Patreon entry?
- Tangle the Lemur and Whisper the Wolf, Dual Goddesses of Obtaining Fanart At First Sight (Whisper: Guardian Angel, Infinite +1) as Lesser Goddesses in the Hall of Positive Reaction (House of Popularity)
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Edited by animuacid on Apr 23rd 2024 at 12:48:11 PM
#207546: Apr 23rd 2024 at 4:24:38 AM
I’m the one who made that profile. I’m of the opinion that if If we can’t find a replacement and a new trope doesn’t crop up in a month or two, chop it
Edited by SailorVenus372 on Apr 23rd 2024 at 4:34:32 AM
I’m plotting my schemes wherever I go! They’re perfect in every way…
NitroIndigo
♀ | Small ripples lead to big waves
from West Midlands region, England
Since: Jun, 2021
Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
♀ | Small ripples lead to big waves
#207547: Apr 23rd 2024 at 5:42:53 AM
Someone suggested Ambiguously Gay for Tangle and Lemur a while ago. Who was it?
Mr
#207548: Apr 23rd 2024 at 5:52:17 AM
We don't have a god of that trope yet, the reason that they haven't been confirmed as being in a relationship is that Sega has ordered that there is to be no romances at all between characters. So they would probably fit the role as gods of Ambiguously Gay.
If we can't find one for them together then maybe we can find them each an individual role as a god of a trope.
Edited by neoamon on Apr 23rd 2024 at 2:01:56 PM
"May your heart be your guiding key"
Chronicle Magician
#207549: Apr 23rd 2024 at 11:51:23 AM
Gee, it's been a little while, hasn't it? Well, I'm back(!), and hopefully this rework'll make up for all of that time...
What do you get when you cross a failed comedian with one very bad day?
The Joker, the God with an Evil LaughHAHA! (Mistah J, Puddin' [by Harley Quinn], Jack White, Jack Napier, Jeremiah Valeska, Maurice P. Joker, Arthur Fleck, Jack Schadenfreude, Joey Wayne, Gamblin' Jack "The Joker" Dent, John Kane, John Kelly, John Napier; Johnny Jape, Red Hood, Red Hood One, Domino Killer, "Jack", "Lloyd", John Doe; Joe Kerr, Oberon Sexton/Gravedigger, the Designer, Eric Border, John Dough/Mr. Normal, Harlan Quinn, Harry Hack; The Criminal, The Clown, The Comedian, the Demon, the Clown Prince of Crime, the Jester of Genocide, the Comeback King, the Harlequin of Hate, the Clown At Midnight, the Man Who Laughs, an Agent of Chaos, the Pale Man, the Laughing Man, the Fool, Detective Joker, Emperor Joker)
I'll look into it.
@Crownless Mimic I think it would make sense for Lex Luthor to be interested in some of the potential technologies K Corp has access to. And Speaking of Corps that start with K, the president and CEO of KaibaCorp has been involved in all sorts of science and magic surrounding monsters, including creating a Perpetual Motion Machine that runs off card games on motorcycles and quite recently created a VR video game that links multiple dimensions and timelines together, so... that might be interesting to consider.
@Atlas and P-Body The Riddler's whole schtick is creating puzzles to try to outwit his enemies, and he usually comes face to face with the iconic duo of Batman and Robin, so he's used to working against Co-Op. The Mario Bros are also an iconic puzzle-solving duo who contrast each other physically in size.
Gee, it's been a little while, hasn't it? Well, I'm back(!), and hopefully this rework'll make up for all of that time...
What do you get when you cross a failed comedian with one very bad day?
The Joker, the God with an Evil LaughHAHA! (Mistah J, Puddin' [by Harley Quinn], Jack White, Jack Napier, Jeremiah Valeska, Maurice P. Joker, Arthur Fleck, Jack Schadenfreude, Joey Wayne, Gamblin' Jack "The Joker" Dent, John Kane, John Kelly, John Napier; Johnny Jape, Red Hood, Red Hood One, Domino Killer, "Jack", "Lloyd", John Doe; Joe Kerr, Oberon Sexton/Gravedigger, the Designer, Eric Border, John Dough/Mr. Normal, Harlan Quinn, Harry Hack; The Criminal, The Clown, The Comedian, the Demon, the Clown Prince of Crime, the Jester of Genocide, the Comeback King, the Harlequin of Hate, the Clown At Midnight, the Man Who Laughs, an Agent of Chaos, the Pale Man, the Laughing Man, the Fool, Detective Joker, Emperor Joker)
If you're expecting to play against the Joker, you'd better be prepared to be dealt from the bottom of the deck!
- []:
- House Change: None (Laughter)
- Rework: June 6, 2020
- Lesser God (Overdeity as Emperor Joker) (Upgrade from Demigod)
- Symbol: A Joker Card. Joker must have a clown face and smileHAHA!
- Theme Song: Oh, sooooooo many to pick...
- "Why So Serious?" is pretty catchy—even if it is a bit... one-note. There's this one, when he's feeling down or just feeling like dancing on some stairs.
- This one is by far the most animated of his songs.
- Here's a Christmas classic, but this one's pretty good, too!
- "Why So Serious?"
- Alignment: Chaotic Evil
- Portfolio: Monster Clown with Black Comedy, Deadly Prank with Electric Joy Buzzer, Ax-Crazy and Driven to Madness, Beware the Silly Ones, Arch-Enemy, The Dreaded, Attention Whore,
- Domains: Insanity, Clowns, Jokes, Evil, Laughter, Evil Laughter, Playing Cards, Society, Acid (both the fun kind and the really fun kind)
- Herald: PunchlineHAHA!, Gaggy, Jackanape, Jonny/Jack Frost, Punch and Judy, Bob, Mr. Hammer, the Jokerz (particularly the Dee Dees), and many other Mooks and henchmen.
- High Priest: Zombozo
- Followers: Beyond Birthday, Hsu Hao, Majima
- AlliesHAHA!: the GUAE Liebertarian Movement (Johan Liebert, Junko Enoshima and Monokuma), The other Joker, Kefka Palazzo, The Dark Judges, Ridley, SCP-993, Dr. Screwball Jones, Mileena, Havik, Bullseye
- Complicated Relationship: Harleen Quinzel/Harley Quinn
- Evil Is One Big, Happy Family/The Friend Nobody Likes: Other members of Batman's Rogues Gallery (especially The Penguin, Jonathan Crane/Scarecrow, Harvey Dent/Two-Face, Waylon Jones/Killer Croc)
- Villain Team-Up: Freddy Krueger, Jason Voorhees, The Violator
- Villainous Friendship: Lex Luthor
- Rivals: Needles Kane, Edward Nigma/The Riddler, Bane, Wade Wilson/Deadpool, Pamela Isley/Poison Ivy
- Enemies: House of Law and Justice
- DCU: Bruce Wayne/Batman and his allies (especially Dick Grayson/Nightwing, Jason Todd/Red Hood, Tim Drake/Red Robin, Barbara Gordon/Batgirl, Cassandra Cain/Batgirl II, Terry McGinnis/Batman Beyond), Selina Kyle/Catwoman, Kirk Langstrom/Batman, The Batman Who Laughs, Commissioner James Gordon, Talia al Ghul, Clark Kent/Superman, Lois Lane, High Councilor Superman
- Marvel: Peter Parker/Spider-Man, James "Logan" Howlett/Wolverine, Steve Rogers/Captain America, Johann Schmidt/Red Skull, Cletus Kasady/Carnage
- Mortal Kombat: Kuai Liang/Sub-Zero, Raiden, Hanzo Hasashi/Scorpion, Major Jackson "Jax" Briggs, Cassie Cage, Johnny Cage, Shao Kahn
- Other: Mystery Incorporated, Blossom, Bubbles, and Buttercup, Judge Dredd, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Chisato Nishikigi and Takina Inoue, L Lawliet, Light Yagami, Shinya Kogami, Akane Tsunemori, Luke Skywalker, Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader, Spawn, Samus Aran
- Interested in: the Grand United Alliance of Chaos
- Feared by: The Sibyl System, Axel Walker/The Trickster, Mr. Mxyzptlk, Frasier Crane, Dr. Angus Bumby, the Hall of Spiritual and Mental Powers (especially J'onn J'onzz/Martian Manhunter, Jean Grey/Phoenix), Charles Xavier/Professor X
- Fears: Alma Wade, Geras, Ryuk, Rem, Misa Amane, Frank Castle/The Punisher
- Respected by: Ra's al Ghul
- Annoys: Serious Sam, Professor Poopypants, the Hall of Demons
- Annoyed By: The Nostalgia Critic, Shang Tsung
- Opposes: Statler and Waldorf, Millennium, Barbatos
- Opposed by: Alfred Pennyworth, Thomas and Martha Wayne, the House of Love and Affection
- About a year or so after the Batman ascended, a certain clown-faced mad chemist burst into the Pantheon's couch store, and killed everyone there while searching for a photonHAHA!, set all the trees on fire for being shadyHAHA!, and then finally got caught because it turned out the maid he'd coerced into being his driver, Mikuru Asahina, was actually not a maid and therefore incapable of making a clean getawayHAHA!.
- The Joker's true name and origins before his disfigurement and subsequent insanity are a mystery. Was he a dreadful comedian with a pregnant wife who had a bad day? Was he a criminal mastermind who just got unlucky? Both? Neither? Some combination? No one knows—not even the Joker himself. What everyone knows is that the Joker is Batman's greatest Arch-Enemy, the Yin to his Yang; the Chaos to his Order; the Comedian to his Straight Man. The Joker has expressed a sort of twisted love for the Dark Knight, though its nature—whether platonic, romantic, or even sexual—is surely as nonsensical and contradictory as everything else about him. He considers the two of them to be equal opposites bound together by fate, and perhaps the craziest thing is that he's not entirely wrong. The two have been at constant war with each other almost since the dawn of their very existence, and in almost every universe there is a Batman and a Joker who are fighting the same fight.
- Has no qualms or limits to the ways he's willing to make Batman suffer, and very often that means going after his allies—indeed, many of his most despicable acts have been against his partners in the Bat Family. He shot Barbara Gordon, crippling her and causing her transition from Batgirl to Oracle; after that, he beat the second Robin, Jason Todd, to death with a crowbarHAHA!, which led to him adopting the mantle of his (probably) former alias, the Red Hood, after his later resurrection. His Earth-12 incarnation's brutal kidnapping and corruption of Tim Drake's mind is one of the most infamous acts of cruelty he's ever performed. It forced that version of Batman's fellow vigilante subordinates into retirement, and paved the way for the clown's return decades later to fight the new Batman Beyond. Outside of the Bat Family, Commissioner Gordon has probably suffered the most out of Batman's colleagues at the Joker's hands. Besides the crippling of his daughter in a thankfully failed effort to drive him to insanity, he also killed his second wife Sarah during the No Man's Land event. One variant of him (Earth-789) has even been recorded to have been the killer of Bruce's parents, which, among many other obvious reasons, has led to antagonism from Thomas and Martha WayneHAHA!.
- Not only does the Joker not know the secrets of his past, but he really doesn't want to know, and so certain deities like Geras and the Shinigami Ryuk and Rem have managed to terrify him by claiming to know his true name and origins. However, they refuse to reveal what they know to others, because the Joker's fear of his own backstory makes the knowledge they have a useful deterrent against him. Also, it's just really funny to watch him squirm.
- Considers the Bat's Rogues Gallery to be Batsy's real Bat Family more than his sidekicks and associates, and while he's a terrible team player most of the time who will inevitably betray anyone he tries to collaborate with, he does generally get along with most of them—he's even been known to play card games with them sometimes when he's "off the clock" (though they make sure to keep an eye on Killer Croc during those ever since... the incident). While almost none would say they particularly like him, there are some who enjoy his company more than others. He and Penguin are shockingly good friends and have partnered together frequently over the years, in spite of the... well... everything involved in their interactions, really. In contrast, there are others who especially despise him. He shares a The Only One Allowed to Defeat You mindset involving Batman with Bane, and the "WWF reject" once beat the clown nearly to death for jeopardizing his campaign against Batman. The Riddler finds it humiliating when people compare his brilliant machinations to the chaotic schemes that the Joker is always pulling, and they once had a sort of civil war between the two of them in which things got very heated. Poison Ivy always found the way he treated his (ex-)girlfriend when they were together contemptible; not only was it reminiscent of Pamela's abusive father, but every time he'd throw her out onto the streets when he was tired of her, she'd wind up going to Ivy to hang with until it all blew over. Now that Quinn's left him for good and moved on with Ivy herself, she's loath to allow him to worm his way back into the clown girl's mind and undo all her progress towards independence. Ra's al Ghul finds his mind fascinating, as he's one of the few people in the world to have beaten him at ChessHAHA!, but his daughter Talia has determined that she's not so impressed since he shot her to death in one of the many alternate timelines...
- While normally the Animalistic Abomination dubbed Man-Bat, in one universe (Earth Designation Unidentified) the scientist Kirk Langstrom is instead a vampiric Batman and part of a similarly distinct Justice League team made up of a Superman born of General Zod and a Wonder Woman who's a New God. While that universe (sadly) had no apparent counterpart for the Joker himself, it did have one for Harley ("WHAT?!") who was killed when Kirk sucked all her blood after foiling one of her crimes. Despite trying to follow his Superman's example and abstain from killing people, Kirk did slip up once and tried to suck the Joker's blood—and promptly spat it out in disgust. The Joker's blood is so toxic as a result of his frequent exposure to both his own Joker Venom as well as other poisons that even mosquitoes will wither and die if they try to suck it; suffice to say, it tastes awful.
- While normally the Animalistic Abomination dubbed Man-Bat, in one universe (Earth Designation Unidentified) the scientist Kirk Langstrom is instead a vampiric Batman and part of a similarly distinct Justice League team made up of a Superman born of General Zod and a Wonder Woman who's a New God. While that universe (sadly) had no apparent counterpart for the Joker himself, it did have one for Harley
- Speaking of, the Joker's relationship with Harleen QuinzelHAHA! started out as a classic tale as old as crime. Boy meets girl, girl falls in love with boy, girl breaks boy out of insane asylum, yada yada yada... Anyway, while admittedly some of the romance has faded between them, the Joker always knows all the right moves to make to get her back by his side whenever he really needs her (for what it's worth, he's apparently really good in the sackHAHA!), though it's been some time since he's even tried on account of having replaced her with a new girlfriend who goes by the name Punchline (which kinda opens him up to a couple other inappropriate jokes, if you think about it...). The topic of whether he loves her at all is a heavily debated one in the House of Love and Affection, though most at least agree that with the way he treats her it doesn't really matter. He only has eyes for Batman, anyway.
- Regardless of whether he loves her or not, the Joker can be very possessive of her anyway, which can make him extremely dangerous to anyone who wants to get too close to her. Ironically, this tends to play a huge part in getting her back, as she finds it romantic; his two biggest "love rivals" (Harley's term) are Deadpool and Poison Ivy.
- Has been gunning for Johnny and Cassie Cage for their attempts at cosplaying as him and Harley, respectively ("Wait, aren't you two related? Ew, gross..."). At least when Shang Tsung copies his act, he gets it perfectly!
- While few doubt his madness, the exact nature of Joker's mental problems have never been successfully pinned down. Psychiatrists, both in his own universe and in the Pantheon, have diagnosed him with practically everything under the sun. One of the most popular stances which has circulated around the Pantheon is that he actually has developed a strange form of "Super-Sanity"; rather than being merely insane, his psyche is actually more sane than anyone else and has thus been granted increased awareness that requires him to constantly reinvent himself in order to cope with the increased information his brain processes. This would be why he can be merely a mischievous prankster one day and become a wild indiscriminate serial killer the next.
- Oh, and speaking of Deadpool, while it's not focused on too much as some others with the ability, the Joker is aware of the Fourth Wall and has addressed the audience on a few occasions. He's made demands of the readers of his comic books and questioned his very own existence. He remembers a particular Intercontinuity Crossover between Batman and Spider-Man, and upon entering the Pantheon has attacked the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles in revenge for taking away his cool cobra mutation. Some deities who subscribe to the "Super-Sanity" theory have proposed that this awareness is a product of this enhanced sanity and is the reason that the Joker so often insists that life is meaningless, and some especially radical voices have even suggested he may in fact be a hero whose schemes and acts as the villain serve to keep the story interesting and, therefore, ongoing.
- By extension, all attempts to cure him have been futile. Therapists such as Frasier Crane, Sigmund Freud, or Angus Bumby have worked tirelessly in their own ways to improve his condition, but nothing seems to work. Even the strongest telepathy from the likes of Martian Manhunter or Professor Charles Xavier only works to make him sane for a very limited time—attempting to calm the Joker's psyche has been described as being like trying to calm a raging storm◊, and that's if you're lucky enough to come into contact with a mind as deranged as his without some form of traumaHAHA!. At least one analysis by a brilliant psychiatrist (Or was it psychologist? It's so hard to remember...) hypothesizes that the Joker isn't any more or less sane than anyone else, and is merely pretending to be mentally ill to avoid prison stays and death sentences—unfortunately, that brilliant psychiatrist was Dr. Harleen Quinzel, so suffice it to say that it's unlikely to ever be taken seriously, let alone be admissible in a court of law.
- The Joker's signature weapon is his famous Joker Venom, a chemical toxin described as "a hellish mixture of hydrogen cyanide and Strychnodide" which was invented by his chemistry savant cousin, the late Melvin Reipan (no relation to any brothers he might have)HAHA!, and which he's since learned to make himself. Depending on the Joker's desires, it can kill swiftly or simply leave people catatonic, force its victims to fits of prolonged, spontaneous laughter while stretching the facial muscles to leave them sporting a garish rictus grin similar to his own (though a variant he developed is leaving them with a perpetual frown instead), and even recolor the face and hair to also resemble the mad clown's. A chemistry genius himself, the Joker has created numerous different strains of the toxin (Tim Drake has confirmed that there are over fifty) to combat Batman's equally numerous antidotes for it and been exposed to it so frequently that he's developed an immunity to it, and has even shown the capability of manufacturing it using common household cleaning supplies. Attempts to incorporate Phazon into his Joker Venom during a joint venture with Ridley against Samus produced unexpected but promising results...
- When the DC and Marvel Universes combined for a brief time, the Batman merged with Wolverine to become Dark Claw, while both their respective arch-enemies—The Joker and Sabertooth—fused into the criminal Hyena. As a result, the Joker holds some personal hostility for Logan, though frankly he's a little disappointed he wasn't merged with the Bullseye guy so he could tussle with that Daredevil dude ("They were played by the same actor, for Pete's sake!")—though he will admit the powers he got in the deal were pretty cool.
- In the case of other Marvel villains, he has an infamous enmity with that of Captain America's arch-enemy Red SkullHAHA! and the psychotic Carnage. You'd think he'd get along with all of them, but it turns out even the Joker has some standards (sometimes), and Nazis are one of them◊ (which also leads to similar feuds with similarly aligned groups like Millennium). He also can't condone the conduct that Cletus Kasady commits his crimes as CarnageHAHA!—it's just so boring!
- The only reason that The Punisher hasn't put down the Harlequin of Hate is that Batman keeps protecting him. But he's made it clear to the Monster Clown that the minute the big bad Bat turns his back and he gets an opportunity, the Joker is a dead man. Frank's one of a select number of people who have managed to achieve the singular feat of getting the Joker to quit laughing and simply run for his friggin' life.
- In the case of other Marvel villains, he has an infamous enmity with that of Captain America's arch-enemy Red SkullHAHA! and the psychotic Carnage. You'd think he'd get along with all of them, but it turns out even the Joker has some standards (sometimes), and Nazis are one of them
- Enjoys working with the infamous psychopath known to the public as Johan Liebert, and has joked that being in his presence makes him feel even more disturbed than usual ("I'm a Monster Clown, and ol' Johan? He's... well... he's just a Monster!"). When the two join forces, they usually wind up acting as a villainous Ham and Deadpan DuoHAHA! committing only the most heinous and chaotic crimes of all time, and they've allied with each other so often that they've formed a special group in the Grand United Alliance of Evil dedicated to encouraging their special brand of wicked activity. For this group, they've recruited the likes of Junko Enoshima—who the Joker has referred to as "the funniest girl I've ever known"—and Joker (the... uh... the smiley glittery one, y'know).
- As one of the most iconic Monster Clowns in all of fiction, it should come as little shock that the Joker has inspired many to take up similar iconography while committing terrific acts of villainy. Few have the notoriety and sheer dread that he has—as fellow villain the Trickster once said, when villains want to scare each other they tell "Joker Stories"—but some of them have managed to make their own (bloody) marks in the arena of stories and impress him.
- Despite the literal everything about them, the Joker and the Violator don't get along especially well. The latter hates all humans with a prejudice, and while he found the Joker's act of cutting off his own face to prove a point humorous he doesn't see him as much better than just another pathetic Hellspawn. The former simply doesn't like the fact that he once stole his "Joe Kerr" gag without crediting him! Sure, they've managed to work together quite well under the common flag of opposing a partnership between Batman and Spawn, but it's strictly professional between them.
- Liked the idea of Kefka's Light of Judgment attack so much that he tried his hand at making his own version using a satellite armed with a laser he'd hijacked with stolen jamming equipment. Kefka was overjoyed to see one of his primary influences taking inspiration from him in turn; imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, you know?
- After Joker got his hands on his very own "Jokermobile"HAHA!, he decided to go steal Needles Kane's ice cream. What followed was a brutal fight through the streets of Gotham, ending with the Joker impaled but alive, and Sweet Tooth poisoned by Joker Toxin.
- Is a big fan of Bobble the Clown's show, though admittedly when it comes to children he prefers to bash their brains out of their skulls rather than simply corrupt them.
- Loves that Dr. Screwball Jones is a banana. Joker considers the quintessential comedic fruit to be representative of "the primal gag, the fall". Everything else about him is just icing on the cake.
- On one occasion, the Mayor of Townsville requested that the Joker visit Townsville to terrorize the city, hoping that his status as a famous supervillain would help boost its reputation (Yes, really.). Much to the relief of their resident superhero team known as the Powerpuff Girls, the Joker was put off by the idea of his crimes being endorsed, and because there was no word of Batman getting involved.
- Has a particular enmity with the Scooby Gang, who once spoiled one of his schemes during a team up with Batman and Robin ages ago, and Shaggy and who gave him and Penguin a pretty decent beating much more recently.
- Has a particular enmity with the Scooby Gang, who once spoiled one of his schemes during a team up with Batman and Robin ages ago, and Shaggy and who gave him and Penguin a pretty decent beating
- His frequent jokes about how similar Batman and Darth Vader are has drawn the ire of both Anakin himself and his son Luke Skywalker, leading to numerous pranks against the two which has mostly just resulted in the wasting of a great number of dental hygienic products ("May the floss be with you!"). In one instance, he managed to get his hands on Luke's lightsaber ("Ooooh, green! Totally my color!") simply by getting R2-D2 to bring it to him. For some reason, droids seem to have a hard time telling the two apart...
- They may not always get along, but the Joker's best friend ("Aside from BATMAN, of course!") is the Metropolis Mogul, Lex Luthor. The genius billionaire scientist may sometimes find him tiresome, but he's also admitted that the Joker is "strangely compelling" and enjoys teaming up with him when dealing with the World's Finest. While he knows that trusting him to not betray you is a fool's gambit, Lex is also smart enough to know that if you're going to have a team of supervillains, you have to let the Joker play... or else. As such, Luthor has consistently dragged the Joker into each incarnation of the Legion of Doom, and alongside him into the Grand United Alliance of Evil. While his dealings with a certain Jokerized Batman may have soured their relationship, it's sure to be only a matter of time before they're working together again like they used to.
- By the by, did you know that the Joker hates the Batman Who Laughs? No? Okay, THE JOKER HATES THE BATMAN WHO LAUGHS! Got it? The Batman Who Laughs as a concept represents something that the Joker simply finds disgusting and abhorrent in every way imaginable: the end to his game with Batman. Any villain who wants any chance to be on the Joker's good side had better stay as far the hell away from the Batman of Earth -22 as possible. Capiche? Capiche.
- His maniacal crimes have pitted him against numerous representatives of the law.
- After a brief experience going through became friends even became one of them—as "Judge Joker", he could easily kill others with the mere sound of his Evil Laughter. While the Man Who Laughs eventually gave up the position and its power after realizing it simply made killing people way too easy ("I don't just kill people, you know. I kill them when it's funny."), he and the Dark Judges remain allies he can call upon when faced against the stalwart Judge Dredd.
- As one might expect, the Dominators used by agents of the Sibyl System are completely useless against the Joker, as they register him as "Criminally Asymptomatic" which means they think he's perfectly sane and won't fire on him. Sibyl has flagged him as a possible target for recruitment, but have exercised extreme caution ever since the kerfuffle with Shogo Makishima. Naturally, only two of their agents have any chance of bringing the Joker down if it's necessary: Shinya Kogami and Akane Tsunemori, who've learned not to rely solely on the Dominators, though they've acknowledged that the Joker is dangerous enough that they'd likely be out of their depth against him without assistance.
- Caught wind from one of his followers about a secret organization called Direct Attack that uses orphaned child soldiers in its campaign to retain the peace and security of the city of Tokyo. Finding great hilarity in likening it to Batman's use of various Robins and Batgirls in his war on crime, the Joker decided it would be fun to kidnap some of these "Lycoris". It was surprisingly easy, too; despite being a highly trained fighter who would otherwise wipe the floor with him, Chisato has a fatal weakness in relying on her eyesight to observe body language and nonverbal cues to predict and counter her enemies' moves—which she can do to the Joker, too... only his body language makes no sense◊. While the timely betrayal of one of his own followers HAHA! as well as the arrival of the Batman served to rescue her and Takina from a tragic fate, it still came too close for comfort. Unlike their similar enemy, Majima, the Joker has none of the sympathetic considerations or reasonable morals that vibe with Chisato; in fact, he doesn't care much about her at all—he saves all that affection for Batsy—and so while he's happy the incident made him one of the few people that she absolutely hates, the entire thing was really intended to plant doubts in the Bat about the merits of underage soldiers... which sadly worked in every respect.
- Light Yagami has tried to kill the Joker with the Death Note on numerous occasions, but since he doesn't know his real name it never works ("'Jack Napier'? 'Jack White'? Why are none of them working!"). He's even gotten Misa to look at him with her Shinigami Eyes, but that attempt was foiled because each time she looks at him the name she saw changed—as it turns out, the natural phenomenon known as Hypertime and the many Cosmic Retcons that have plagued the Divine Continuum have left the Joker's history and identity as inconstant and unreliable as the rest of himself. As L pointed out, it's almost as if the universe itself is going to great lengths to keep the Joker's anonymity intact...
- His Earth-49 incarnation's actions of committing mass homicide by nuking Metropolis—as well as the subsequent resulting corruption of Superman and establishment of the One Earth Government—have garnered the Joker a terrifying reputation throughout the Pantheon. Obviously, the High Councilor Kal-El holds a massive grudge against every version of the Joker for the murder of his Lois Lane, and Lois herself, of course, loathes the clown who has managed to kill her in not one, but two different realities.
- So toxic and wicked is the Jester of Genocide that entire realities have been known to rally together in opposition to him—including the realms where the Mortal Kombat tournaments take place, where even the likes of Shang Tsung and Shao Kahn find him foulHAHA!. Having managed to kill literally everyone in the Earthrealm, Netherrealm, and Outerrealm in one timeline, everyone from that universe considers him a great threat, especially those like Scorpion, Sub-Zero, Raiden, who defend the realms and are also aware of his tragic destruction of Metropolis. Jax hates him for "making Kano seem like less of a monster". The only exceptions are Havik and Mileena, who—along with the mortal Hsu Hao—have joined him to form the League of Misunderstood Maniacs, dedicated to giving all worlds filled with law and order an "enema".
- Despite being ludicrously more powerful than he is, the Fifth-Dimensional Imp known as Mr. Mxyzptlk exhibits a lot of anxiety when it comes to dealing with the Ace of Knaves, mostly because of when he was tricked into giving the mad clown 99.99% of his power. The Joker then used this power to easily rewrite all of existence in his name, killing Batman over and over in ever more torturous and gruesome ways until he was finally stopped by Superman.
- Has also been known to sell his soul to demons in exchange for things like Cuban cigars ("Hey, it's not like I'm using it for anything! Might as well get something good out of it.") and has been banned from the Hall of Demons for trying to do it again one too many times. Just don't ask where he got the extra souls...
- Is one of the few gods to be defeated by the Angry Video Game Nerd, and because of that, he has plans to get revenge on him with the help of Freddy Krueger and Jason Voorhees.
- Finds Alma Wade's power and childish form to be eerily similar to that of one of his former associates, the secret weapon of his Royal Flush Gang. While he'd like to believe his mind has grown more than psychotic enough to resist the insanity of abilities now, he'd rather not test that theory again unless he absolutely has to.
- Finds it hilarious to annoy Serious Sam by asking him just why it is that he's so... grim. Why so "Serious"?HAHA!
- Professor Poopypants can't stand to be in the same room as the Man Who Laughs. Three guesses why, and the first two don't count.
- As much as he enjoys laughing at people, he really can't take the heat himself. The House of Theatre and Spectacle still talks about that time he threw a gas grenade at Statler and Waldorf up in the box seats—if there ever was a natural enemy to a comedian, it's hecklers...
- For a time it was believed that there has been more than one Joker that Batman has clashed with over the years, with the Mobius Chair and further investigations suggesting that there are three: the sadistic master criminal of the Golden Age, the harmless prankster of the Silver Age, and the insane psychopath of the Bronze Age onward. However, not everyone was certain this was actually the case; indeed, recent examination since has revealed that this is all false and the Mobius Chair wasn't being literal, but rather denoting that the Joker has trained himself to create split personalities which, for some time, made him three different people in one body.
I'll look into it.
Edited by yugi195 on Apr 23rd 2024 at 9:56:38 PM
In another few hours, the sun will rise.
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#207550: Apr 23rd 2024 at 12:11:57 PM
Billy and Nathan Drake are scared of clowns, and I bet that the Joker would exploit that.
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Anything else to say about these two or are they good to go?
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Edited by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 on Apr 22nd 2024 at 3:54:48 AM