The Scrappy Cleanup

Dunno about most of these characters, but Chris is a tricky one. He seems to be hated by Western fans than with Japanese/Eastern fans so maybe he counts as Americans Hate Tingle, but it could be difficult finding out what the Japnanse fanbase thinks of him, because they’re less likely to be vocal about what they abhor in public compared to North Americans and Europeans. Conformity is highly valued there after all

Edited by Superdude96 on Apr 9th 2024 at 9:04:03 AM

Deadly Six: IDW is a different continuity, so they don't really count as Rescued in the main. Chris and Rachel can probably be moved into Rescued from the Scrappy Heap.

Edited by PhiSat on Apr 9th 2024 at 12:02:19 PM

Once again, how long/much does one have to be hated before being Rescued to be worth putting under both? As this thread is more about cleaning up examples per existing rule is there somewhere else to ask?

Speaking of Rescued from the Scrappy Heap, I'm getting conflicting messages on the waiting period. The notes under YMMV.Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Freedom say 9 months after the work redeeming them, but No Recent Examples, Please! say just 9 months since they become contentious, yet I recall 3 months since they become contentious plus the 6 to qualify as Scrappy/BBC. Help clarifying the matter?

Also found this under TheScrappy.Live Action Films:

• Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2014): A lot of people didn't like this incarnation of April O'Neil, due to feeling she takes up too much time in the movie away from the Turtles (not helped due to their dynamic being considered one of the strongest points in the movie), has too bland a subplot, and leads to a lot of what's generally considered Padding. Being portrayed by Megan Fox also added to the divisiveness, as her sexpot looks diverge from how April is typically drawn or played. I'm incline to cut as just disliked portrayal of an otherwise popular character, thoughts?

If these incarnations are different enough and in different continuities then I don't think that fails the consistency rule, does it?

I think Megan Fox's version of April was an average (and largely untalked about) part of the movie. Few have mentioned it outside of how she went back to work with Michael Bay after her comments about him. The comment about calling Fox a "sexpot" is also just a weird comment to make. Probably worth cutting.

Edited by CanuckMcDuck1 on Apr 10th 2024 at 9:14:18 AM

Re: Sal Manella: I think he's a rare case where he's a Karma Houdini and a More Despicable Minor Villain compared to Vasquez who despite literally calling in the Mafia on Maya and Phoenix at least had some sympathetic qualities in that the guy Hammer killed was her lover. So I'm inclined to say he fits better on Hate Sink. He's meant to embody all the gross negative traits of Incel Otakus. He's not funny, he isn't cool, and he really really comes off as Fair for Its Day in terms of using now outdated Leet Lingo, which was newish in 2005 when the first game came out. Honestly I'm inclined to list Max Galactica, Moe Curls, and Benjamin Woodman but especially the first and last given the fact Woodman uses his ventriloquist dummy as a means to flirt with a minor (Regina) and Max also frequently being called a ephebophile for his crush on Regina and using G rated grooming tactics for her to be his girl.

And I've talked to Japanese fans of the game who also generally despise Turnabout Big Top and its cast. The only people who liked it only like Acro and Regina. What's more Max and Ben's crush on Regina is Played for Laughs, but it's very very creepy and unlike Terry Fawles, Max and Ben have no known mental disability hindering their judgment when it comes to an excuse.

Edited by Klavice on Apr 10th 2024 at 10:15:01 AM

Found this under Persona 3 YMMV:

• The Scrappy: Nozomi Suemitsu, the "Gourmet King", in Persona 3's Moon Social Link is widely considered the worst Social Link in the entire series, and not entirely without reason. He's disliked for having one of the weakest backstories in the series, as while the impact his brother's death had on him is genuinely sad, the fact that it's only revealed in the final event means it's too little, too late for many. He's an abrasive, ugly glutton who's revealed to be scamming people out of their money for a Church of Happyology, and he makes little to no attempt to better himself after befriending the player as the entirety of the Link just has him stuffing his face while wallowing in his (mostly self-inflicted) misery. As if Atlus was made well-aware of this, both he, Mamoru and Saori are the only Social Link characters who don't appear in any of the Drama CDs, and while Saori is both well-liked and has the excuse of being the only completely new character as the FeMC's Hermit social link, and Mamoru is decently-liked as a character and is universally-regarded as an essential Social Link for Helel alone, Nozomi has no such excuse.

This entry feels off to me. Like someone was complaining. Any thoughts?

In regards to Ace Attorney and the Big Top case, I'm pretty sure Benjamin Woodman is already listed on that series' scrappy page. I know Moe got removed a while ago but can't remember the exact reason (he's still widely considered unfunny and annoying). I'm not sure if Max counts since he's less hated than Moe and Ben and some find him somewhat sympathetic.

As for the Gourmet King (Persona 3), he used to be listed as a scrappy as well but I can't remember why he was removed either. He's definitely unpopular and the fact that at least one adaptations removed him is notable. However the entry (particularly the last parts) could use a rewrite due to clear complaining.

Max and Moe are both listed on YMMV.Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney Justice For All under Base-Breaking Character.

Taken from the Quest for Camelot 's YMMV page;

"Few people seem to care much about Devon and Cornwall, for being pointless comic relief, as the main villain is already Laughably Evil, and many find their jokes and song more obnoxious than funny. Notably, a lot of fanfics will either write them out completely or rewrite their characters to be more serious and helpful."

I actually have my doubts on this. From what I've seen, there are a lot of people who do like Devon and Cornwall for their song, some people find them hilarious, Eric Idle's and Don Rickles's performances, arguably being the characters people remember most from the film, and are pretty well liked by dragon fans and well, scalies. I know the movie itself is pretty divisive, but I've never really seen much extreme hatred for these two. I'd put them maybe as Base-Breaking Characters instead.

Gourmet King is definitely a valid example, cutting the part about the drama CDs would make it more concise. On an unrelated note, is Oskar Fevras from Baldur's Gate III a Scrappy? Not only is he thoroughly unlikable but he also sends players on what's generally agreed to be the most frustrating quest in the game (for a meager reward, no less), to the point that many simply leave him for dead in the first act in subsequent playthroughs.

Edited by stankykong on Apr 13th 2024 at 4:22:26 AM

So Ace Attorney got its own Scrappy Folder and I'm wondering if most of those are valid enough to warrant having a separate folder since most just seem to be hated for being bland.

Also I may have asked this before but what's the consensus on Angie from Danganronpa V3, qualifies at least for Americans Hate Tingle since Japan is a bit more sympathetic to her cause while Western fans tend to be more vocal about their hatred of her and see her as an Asshole Victim?

Edited by ITTrpr20 on Apr 13th 2024 at 11:03:15 AM

I don't think Angie qualifies, while she's not exactly beloved she's too Laughably Evil to have a significant hatedom even if most would agree she kinda had it coming.

Edited by stankykong on Apr 13th 2024 at 11:18:48 AM

I am pretty sure Angie still has tona of fanbase that likes her if anything last I checked despite what happened. But yeah she doesn't really count as a scrappy.

Found this on Star Wars The Scrappy page:

• The Martez Sisters were disliked by fans because of their constant idiotic and reckless decisions, the fact they took up an entire arc of the final season with their antics, and a perceived lack of depth. Not helping matters is that they are also Replacement Scrappies, being a split replacement of a character named Nyx Okami. Out of the two of them, Rafa gets the most hate because of her unpleasant personality and Never My Fault tendencies.

Just taking a look at Twitter it is clear there is large number of people who do like Martez sisters and their arc. They fit much better under Base-Breaking Character form what I have seen.

Move them to Base-Breaking Character.

Edited by Bullman on Apr 15th 2024 at 6:13:57 AM

agree

Sounds like a base breaking character to me as well.

I have never seen these fans, I have only seen universal scorn for those two, but the fandom is vast enough that I guess I could believe they exist.

The Simpsons S 23 E 14 At Long Last Leave:

• Take That, Scrappy!: Mayor Quimby calls out Marge as being the worst Simpson among her family, which can be satisfying for fans who have never liked her. Though it depends on whether it's for the same reason that Mayor Quimby stated (that she makes them see her family in a more forgiving light), or another reason entirely.

Is Marge a scrappy? The fact that it describes this as "satisfying for fans who never liked her", implies that she isn't universally hated.

Edited by SharkToast on Apr 16th 2024 at 7:28:30 AM

I think Take That, Scrappy! also applies for base breakers but I could be making that up

I do think that’s correct

I've seen Take That, Scrappy! be used for base breaking characters in the past.

I personally think most Scrappy subtropes should be valid for base-breakers as well, as well as the point usually hinges on a substantial part of the fanbase with a strong negative opinion rather than the unanimity of said opinion. So even though Marge is probably straight-up my favorite Simpson, I think that example is valid if she's a BBC (and from what I see, she is).

Well, that goes back to the debate we had with Rescued from the Scrappy Heap, namely if it's still a valid subtrope if it accepts more than just scrappies. Had a thread and all that for it.