To-do list:
- It was decided to define Vapor Wear to refer to outerwear whose appearance strongly indicates, e.g. by skin being shown, that the character is not wearing underwear, which may include Navel-Deep Neckline, Sexy Slit Dress, Stripperiffic, etc. Rewrite the description accordingly at Sandbox.Vapor Wear.
The Vapor Wear Wick Check shows that it's a mess of usage, as well. Examples about characters being barely clothed, examples where characters' lack of undergarments has to be revealed to the audience, and even examples where the supposed to be obvious lack of underwear is actively hidden from the audience are included alongside the usual ZC Es, a typo for Vapor Ware (which this trope is obviously a snowclone of) and correct but meaningless examples. Out of the 57 wicks checked, 19 were correct but lacked any explanation for why they go without (and, per the precedent set by Does Not Like Shoes, there needs to be meaning behind an aspect of their appearance for it to be tropable). Another six offered some explanation, but the use on those pages is all over the place, and two of them are from playing with pages, so not exactly proper examples.
I think disambiguating between Stripperiffic, Going Commando, Theiss Titillation Theory, and potentially other tropes is the best option for this page, unless we can find some meaning to coalesce a trope around, and I'm not sure we can.
Wick check:
Links to the page will be Bolded when sinkholed- (Innocent Fanservice Girl) Darkstalkers:
- Felicia is always naked outside of a fur bikini. It may be providing the absolute minimum coverage where it counts, but that's her own fur, not clothes. However, Felicia's butt is fully exposed, as some animation frames and some character design sheets show that her fur "panties" only cover her front part. This is a specific type of Japanese fanservice called maebari — the use of tape (or, in this case, fur) to cover up the genital region, a relic from when Japan prohibited the display of such in adult media. Contrast "pasties" from US and Carnaval. The designers are well aware of this too, as Felicia's "Dancing Flash" super move involves a barrage of kicks and scratches to her opponent. At one point, she delivers a high kick that leaves her butt fully exposed to the player. Her right hand just so conveniently drops down to her waist in order to censor it for that split second right before she uses it to scratch again.
- (Seductive Mummy) Queen's Blade: Antagonist character Menace is based on this trope, and emphasizes the "Seductive" aspect so much that you can easily be ignorant that she's supposed to be a mummy at all unless you paid attention when her backstory came up. She forgoes any semblance of bandages, sexy or otherwise, and just looks like a voluptuous bronze-skinned beauty running around in jewelry-based Vapor Wear. Her backstory is that she's the last ruler of an Egypt-themed fallen nation called Amara, which was overrun by invaders because Menace was too preoccupied with the pleasures of her lesbian harem to pay attention to ruling, something she deeply regretted when she was captured and thrown into her palace's slave pits to be beaten and raped to death. Brought back from the dead by the Swamp Witch, she's determined to rebuild her fallen nation and her harem, in roughly that order.
- (Wardrobe Malfunction 1/3) The central character of the highly obscure manga Buraburabanban (loosely cognate with "brass brass band band" via use of shortened loanwords) suffers one of these when, while conducting a performance of the school band, her motions become so vigorous that her shirt flies up, revealing to the audience that she forgot to wear a bra that day. Much later, in the final pages of the last chapter, a Call-Back strikes during an even bigger and more public concert: her baton catches on the strap of her dress, which completely falls off. And this time she isn't wearing panties either.
- (Wardrobe Malfunction 3/3) The "daring" Dominique Auxilly dress that Adrienne Bailon wore to a March 2012 concert is a perfect example of how the Theiss Titillation Theory can backfire spectacularly to cause one of these. She was posing for photographers on the red carpet when a gust of wind suddenly revealed that she wasn't wearing anything underneath.
- (Characters.Miss Kobayashis Dragon Maid Kobayashi Household) Vapor Wear: She wears band-aids over her nipples in lieu of a bra. Then again, her massive breasts would make it impossible for her to find a bra that fits. For the record, I know this scene, and she does have to lift her shirt to show the bandages
- (Characters.My Hime) Vapor Wear: "What's "bra?" Is It Something You Eat??"
- (Characters.No Rin) Vapor Wear: Reveals that she isn't wearing a bra after giving Kosaku her red shirt to distract the bull in the first episode.
- (Characters.Seven Heavenly Virtues 1/4) Vapor Wear: She doesn’t wear a bra, as she unintentionally shows to a messiahs candidate.
- (WesternAnimation.Duck Pimples) Vapor Wear: Pauline as she holds up her dress, jumps, and runs in place before fleeing. She's revealed to go without any knickers under it.
- (Wrestling.Stephanie Mc Mahon) Vapor Wear:
- Her feud with Triple H, starting with the failed "wedding" described below, saw her suffer Clothing Damage and demonstrated that she hadn't bothered to wear much underneath.
- The March 11, 2002 Raw saw her try to escape from HHH in the ring and he grabbed her pants and exposed her bare ass.
- That Thursday on Smackdown, HHH went for the Pedigree on an announce table and her breasts fell out of her dress.
- (Anime & Manga) In the final episode of Bakemonogatari's first season, we get an upskirt of Shinobu. Most people will probably only realize that there should have been an upskirt somewhere in there later on. It's an upskirt and not a panty shot because she's only wearing a bandaid.
- (Wardrobe Malfunction 2/3) The Mummy (1999): It turns out that Evelyn's (Rachel Weisz) nightgown from the boat scene got very translucent when wet, and Weisz wasn't wearing anything underneath. Of course, by the end of the scene, she ended up in the water, giving the rest of the cast and crew an eyeful and requiring touching up in post-production to keep its rating.
- (Film.Diamonds Are Forever) Vapor Wear: Plenty O'Toole didn't wear a bra 'til some Moral Guardians made them paint one on.
- (TheMummy1999.The Mummy 1999 Tropes M To Z) Wardrobe Malfunction: It turned out that Rachel Weisz's nightgown from the boat scene got very translucent when wet, and Weisz wasn't wearing anything underneath. Of course, by the end of the scene she ended up in the water, giving the rest of the cast and crew an eyeful and requiring touching up in post-production to keep the movie's rating.
- (Anime.Neon Genesis Evangelion) Vapor Wear: Seeing how Rei strips off all of her undergarments before putting on her plugsuit, it seems to imply that none of the pilots wear underwear while wearing their plugsuits in order to boost their synchronization rating. Asuka probably gets to have her panties on in her period, though.
- (Characters.American Hustle) Vapor Wear: There's a constant implication that Sydney doesn't wear anything under her dresses. Particularly in the stall sequence.
- (Characters.A Certain Magical Index True Gremlin) Vapor Wear: Her bandages clearly show she isn't wearing any underwear.
- (Characters.Altered Carbon 2/2) Vapor Wear: Is introduced dressed this way. It's pretty much her entire wardrobe. It's not as if Kristin Lehman is hard on the eyes.
- (Characters.Catwoman Selina Kyle) Vapor Wear: Certain artists draw her costume in such a way that there's no way she's wearing anything under it. Guillem March is a big offender. Paul Gulacy did several panels in his period as artist that outright showed her naked before putting the catsuit on.
- (Characters.Earth Twenty Seven Greek Pantheon) Vapor Wear: She clearly isn't wearing anything beneath her "clothes".
- (Characters.Fairy Tail Criminals) Vapor Wear: The amount of Underboobs she exposes makes it clear she's not wearing a bra. It's a wonder that she doesn't completely explode out of her top.
- (Characters.Pacific Heavy Cruisers And Battleships 2/2) Vapor Wear: If one looks closely enough, it's clear that she's not wearing any panties or a bra.
- (Characters.Sekirei Izumo Inn) Vapor Wear: Judging from their usual outfits and the faded nipples from their usual clothes shown, excluding Homura, none of the girls wear a bra.
- (Characters.Seven Heavenly Virtues 2/4) Vapor Wear: She isn't wearing a bra, and her thong barely covers anything.
- (Characters.Seven Heavenly Virtues 4/4) Vapor Wear: One quick look at her impossibly skimpy outfit is enough to see that she doesn't wear a bra. When looking at her from the backside, one realizes she doesn't wear panties, either.
- (Spider-Man: Supporting Characters) Vapor Wear: She's pretty evidently not wearing a bra under her shirts in most of her appearances (particularly the second half of Sins Remembered).
- (Characters.Strain Strategic Armored Infantry) Vapor Wear: The first episode makes a point of showing that Sara doesn't wear anything under her flight suit.
- (ComicBook.Zatanna Everyday Magic) Vapor Wear: Nimue and Zatanna's Navel-Deep Neckline outfits make it clear they're not wearing bras under them. Nimue at least has an excuse, since she was lounging in the privacy of her bedroom.
- (EvilIsSexy.Video Games) Fire Emblem:
- Cornelia wears a strapless dress with the side of the skirt slit all the way up to her hip and a Navel-Deep Neckline that goes all the way down to the belt she apparently uses to keep it from falling apart (with no sign of her wearing anything at all underneath), and is quite shapely, to put it lightly.
- (Fanfic.Code Geass Numbers Reshuffled) Vapor Wear: It's clear to Lelouch that Milly isn't wearing a bra under the dress she's wearing to their date in Chapter 3. He notes that she doesn't seem to be wearing panties either.
- (Funny.Big Brother) Elena complaining that houseguests saw a little too much of her coming out of the shower because she sat down on the couch with no underwear on. She then exaggerates the gesture at bedtime and does a spread-eagle pose... which Paul proceeds to duplicate.
Paul: I see... EVERYTHING!!
- (Literature.Dragon Crisis) Vapor Wear:
- Bianca is clearly not wearing any normal panties.
- Literal example is Maruga's Melting Bikini-top in the Beach Episode (...don't ask).
- Eriko doesn't always wear a bra either, such as her dress from episode 6.
- (Literature.Rising X Rydeen 2/2) Vapor Wear: Mikan doesn't wear a bra under her school uniform. Were it not for the fact that clothes in this series behave like their stuck on a female character's breasts a Wardrobe Malfunction would be a given with her.
- (Sandbox.Characters Ace Attorney Minor Characters Investigations) Vapor Wear: She's very obviously not wearing a shirt or a bra during the flight under her open uniform, not that anyone actually calls attention to it.
- (Characters.Hunie Pop) Vapor Wear: Most of her outfits make it very apparent that she's not a fan of bras.
- (Characters.Altered Carbon 1/2) Ms. Fanservice: Her sex appeal is a major aspect of her character, and she's a Silver Vixen who often wears Vapor Wear.
- (Characters.Arknights Defenders A To M) Stripperiffic: Eunectes' outfit leaves very little to imagination, being fashioned out of cloth scraps and straps that are fastened haphazardly onto her exposed thighs and midriff. Even her yellow "dress", which is also semi-transparent, doesn't even properly cover her. This is to be expected given her Nubile Savage theme.
- (Characters.Bayonetta Titular Character) Sexy Backless Outfit: The game takes Third-Person Seductress to whole new levels; she wears a variety of these, all made out of her hair. In Bayonetta 2, the backless outfit actually becomes functional in addition to alluring, since she can now use her demonic summons to become a Winged Humanoid. In Bayonetta 3, it's where the demon tattoos she's contracted with shows up.
- (Characters.One Piece Fishman Island) Navel-Deep Neckline: Her hoodie covers her chest, but it has a frilled V-neck and Sharley doesn't seem to be wearing anything underneath it, leaving a good part of her chest exposed.
- (Characters.Seven Heavenly Virtues 3/4) Hypocritical Humor:
- Chides her Messiah candidate for speaking loudly at night because it will bother the neighbors, after she announced her arrival by knocking very strongly at his door.
- Represents chastity and berates other people for engaging in evil lustful behaviour, yet wears a tiny outfit while obviously lacking underwear.
- (Literature.Rising X Rydeen 1/2) Form-Fitting Wardrobe: Just about every top on a female character in this series wraps around their breasts. The most noticeable case being Mikan, whose top for her Sailor Fuku is open in the from the collar down, she doesn't wear anything underneath it, and manages to avoid Wardrobe Malfunction because it behaves like it's glued to her breasts.
- (Ms. Fanservice.Literature) Zero Sight: Rei Acerba Bathory is a Proud Beauty with Raven Hair, Ivory Skin that doesn't wear bras and is frequently out her clothes, without any regard for modesty, enjoying doing scandalous things such as going Skinny Dipping at the academy pool. Dieter experiences this side of her shortly after their meeting her and Fainting after a bloody fight; he wakes up to find himself in a shower, with Rei casually showering in a stall right beside him, having finished undressing and washing him herself. His mind short circuits between staring at her bare back and worrying about the fact she likely just gave him a sponge bath.
- (VideoGame.Metal Gear Solid 4 Guns Of The Patriots 2/2) Schmuck Bait:
- While tracking Naomi when she's taken in Act 2 you can potentially end up going the wrong way and end up in an ambush. Some of these traps involve just stepping on explosives or getting ambushed by the Frogs, while others include hearing a very obviously fake recording of Naomi being tortured in a shack to lure Snake in or finding her bra near some tracks to throw you off the trail. In the last example, an observant player could avoid falling for it if they had noticed that Naomi clearly wasn't wearing a bra in the earlier cutscene.
- (ComicBook.Spider Man) Ms. Fanservice: Mary Jane is a Head-Turning Beauty and frequently used for fanservice.
- Her debut in the strip is just as much of an Establishing Character Moment as it is in the source material: she's wearing a shirt, with the only "buttoned" button being the one right above her belly button, and not wearing a bra.
- (Film.Lesbian Vampire Killers) Ms. Fanservice: The lesbian vampires are all very beautiful, dressed in diaphanous dresses which barely cover them', while several also show breasts at different points. Before turning, the women often wore low-cut tops and short-shorts too.
- (Recap.A Certain Scientific Railgun T Ep 13 SYSTEM) Clothing Damage: The rip in Shokuhou's PE shirt seems to change size from one shot to the next. Most of the time it merely goes up to her waist, but now and then it randomly expands into Sideboob territory (incidentally confirming her apparent lack of a bra).
- (Recap.Twenty Fifteen Brit Awards Taylor Swift) Impossibly-Low Neckline: Taylor Swift appeared to go braless under her deep plunging neckline.
- (SkewedPriorities.Literature) Stephanie Plum: In one of the novels, Stephanie is kidnapped by the bad guys and in the process of escaping manages to lose all her clothes (it's a long story). She manages to find a replacement T-shirt and some jeans, but no undergarments. When she returns to safety, her mother is much more concerned about Stephanie's going braless than that she's been held captive by murderous criminals.
- (Characters.Final Fantasy X Heroes) Vapor Wear: The top of her dress seems to be a corset, with nothing else underneath.
- (Characters.Final Fantasy X Other Characters Introduced In Final Fantasy X 2) Vapor Wear: Leblanc's outfit in particular.
- (Characters.Venus Blood Brave) Vapor Wear: Her outfit covers everything it needs to, but also exposes quite a bit of her thighs. Either this or pure misuse
- (Literature.How To Succeed In Evil) Vapor Wear: Cindi with an I.
- (VideoGame.Divinity Original Sin) Vapor Wear: Astarte.
- (Characters.Pacific Heavy Cruisers And Battleships) Stripperific: Her outfit in comparison to her other sisters. Though like O'Bannon's case Vapor Wear is averted.
- (Funny.Undead Unluck 2/2) The following chapter focuses on Fuuko trying to be a normal student. Emphasis on trying.
- In the background of the flashback, Ichico can be seen begrudgingly properly buttoning her shirt because she can't go with her usual Vapor Wear in a school.
- (FinalGirl.Live Action Films Subversions Aversions And Parodies) Maxine in X doesn't just violate every moral rule of slasher movie survival, she does so professionally. She's a literal porn star who habitually uses cocaine and the most scantily-clad female character in the film, spending most of it (when she isn't outright fully nude) wearing overalls with nothing underneath that just barely cover her breasts. The ending also reveals the televangelist we see throughout the film railing against the sins of pornography is her father. She winds up the Sole Survivor who departs the film with a triumphant snort of blow as she drives away, having no doubts or second thoughts about her line of work. Meanwhile, Lorraine, the virginal "church mouse" who does the audio on the porn film that the protagonists are making, is initially presented as Final Girl material, but later decides to star in the film herself (cheating on her boyfriend in the process, while he's filming it) — and sure enough, she's the last of them to die.
- (PlayingWith.Fidelity Test) Parodied:
- Alice goes to the bar wearing Vapor Wear as part of her disguise and does everything she can think of to seduce Bob.
- (PlayingWith.Lingerie Scene Inverted: Vapor Wear - Alice is fully clothed but wears no underwear. Could think of nowhere else to put it
- (Series.Porridge Vapor Wear: Played for Laughs in "Heartbreak Hotel". When Fletcher's daughter, Ingrid, pays him a visit (in the open-plan visiting room), he is outraged that she's not wearing a bra and all the other prisoners can see it. Next time she visits, she puts a bra on, and just to make sure he knows it, she lifts up her t-shirt to demonstrate. To get a laugh from the audience is a reason, right?
- (VideoGame.Metal Gear Solid 4 Guns Of The Patriots 1/2) Navel-Deep Neckline:
- Naomi Hunter also has an unbuttoned blouse and is clearly not wearing a bra. Believe it or not, the lack of a bra turns out to be important, as when you're trying to track Naomi down when she's being carted off by a bunch of soldiers, you find a discarded bra left behind as one of the soldiers' many fake outs. She never bothers to reacquire one later. Stuck it here because it has a gameplay reason
- (Webcomic.Nineteen Ninety Something) Vaporwear: Denise and Kendra, in true hippie fashion, never wear bras. Though Kendra might've gone back to wearing a bra as she has since decided to give up her hippie lifestyle.
- (Funny.Undead Unluck 1/2) The first conversation Nico and Ichico have in the 101st loop mirrors a similar conversation they had in their first meeting the previous loop...where Nico tells her that she should cover up her "unsightly mounds of flesh" and Ichico bluntly replies no. Fuuko panics thinking she's ruined things between the two and apologizes to Mico.
- (LegFocus.Video Games) The novels indicate that this is what Jim Raynor was thinking about Sarah Kerrigan during the "I finished scouting the area and—you pig!" scene in StarCraft. The player can't actually tell, considering she's a low-detail sprite, but promo shots for the Vaporwear Third-Person Shooter StarCraft: Ghost indicate that Ghost uniforms are practically painted on. Fixed, BTW
- (Characters.Goblin Slayer Goblin Slayer) Not Distracted by the Sexy: Cow Girl has made likely several flirtatious gestures towards him, the first shown in Volume 1 where she greets him in the morning in only her underwear. He doesn't skip a beat. Then, in Volume 2, after suffering gruesome injuries that left him at death's door, he was healed with Resurrection, a miracle that requires the target to sleep naked in the same bed with a Maiden. When he woke up, said Maiden greeted him while wearing a single piece that hid nothing. Priestess, also healed and naked, was asleep with her arms around his waist. Goblin Slayer was more interested in confirming that Resurrection exists.
- (PlayingWith.My Girl Is A Slut 1/2) Exaggerated: Alice wears practically nothing and has slept with pretty much Anything That Moves, and Bob is proud to marry her and call her his wife.
- (PlayingWith.My Girl Is A Slut 2/2) Parodied: Alice shows up at Bob's residence in Vapor Wear, smelling of cologne Bob doesn't have. Bob is very happy to see her, and doesn't comment on her state of undress.
- (VideoGame.Blood Rayne 2) Vapor Wear: Ferril is mostly nude, if you took her markings away from her.
- (VisualNovel.Being ADIK) No Dress Code: Justified as the characters are in college, not high school, and so it makes sense that relatively few rules surrounding dress would be strictly enforced. However, some of the students manage to get away with clothing that barely covers their bodies.
- (Star Trek: The Next Generation S1 E7 "Justice") Vapor Wear: Apparently a common form of traditional dress on Edo, for both men and women. If they were wearing any less fabric, there would be no need to bother with fabric at all. (A bit of Fridge, especially for older and athletic viewers: those slippers they're wearing have no support whatsoever, and they're all running on hard-surfaced pathways. )
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 16th 2024 at 6:48:18 AM
Yeah, I'm not sure we have enough examples for such a redefinition.
Or at least not enough meaningful examples.
My troper wall&& : Really? Maybe not in the sense of "wearing no undergarments at all", but I have the impression that there must be tons of examples where women not wearing bras has implications of sexual availability or seductiveness. Or have I misunderstood your point?
Edited by GnomeTitan on Apr 24th 2024 at 11:14:18 AM
If you can find, or write up, enough examples of such with enough context, we might be able to redefine the trope along tose lines, or start a TLP for such a trope.
My troper wallI'm saying we need to already have enough examples on the wiki for a redefinition to work. We can't do that based on a hunch that there might already be enough examples.
If there are already enough examples as you've said, sandbox them.
Edit: This thread for Suddenly Sexuality is an example of how not to redefine a trope, and featured the kind of scenario I want to avoid here — the thread tried to redefine the trope to fit examples that didn't already exist on the wiki, so the trope ended up getting cut.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 24th 2024 at 4:49:38 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Like a TLP could be made if you have examples to share, but the process here requires us to already have such usage on the wiki.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure PurenessCorrect.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.I see. So that was what the posts above were referring to. I misunderstood them as talking about examples existing in works, rather than already being written up on the wiki. That's why I was a bit confused.
Yeah, I do think modifying the trope to define it as "outfit with areas in it that give away that there's obviously no underwear being used as Fanservice" could work. This is because this kind of outfit already does show up in other instances of clothing tropes where clothing with holes in it that do show that there couldn't be underwear underneath are used as Fanservice, such as the Navel-Deep Neckline trope or variants of the Sexy Slit Dress where the slit in the dress is so high up that it's obvious that the character isn't wearing underwear. (funny enough, this redefinition of the trope could make it a super-trope to the tropes previous listed)
Are there enough on-wiki examples to make such a change worthwhile?
I still think yarding that concept is the best idea, unless someone wants to scare up enough examples to run it through TLP themselves.
My troper wallI managed to gather (with help from all of you) a few tropes that could be considered Vapor Wear. I think that instead of making it a disambiguation, it would be better to make it a super trope because there are nine tropes that show exactly where a character does not wear underwear (bra and panties in the case of women). The tropes are these:
- Cleavage Window
- Going Commando
- Impossibly-Low Neckline
- Navel-Deep Neckline
- Sexy Backless Outfit
- Sexy Slit Dress
- Sexy Soaked Shirt
- Sideboob
- Underboobs
Now to complete, there are two tropes left that have not yet been created that I think could enhance this trope.
- About the 'hip vent' where a character wears pants, dress or overalls in which there is a side opening that starts from the hip◊.
- Another trope about characters (mostly female) who wear a blazer shirtless outfit, highlighting their cleavage◊.
Going Commando is definitely not a subtrope of Vapor Wear, because it covers all cases where somebody doesn't wear underwear, while Vapor Wear only covers the cases where you can see that they aren't.
Just because there are numerous tropes that can be tied to this in some way (I would also throw in Naked in Mink and Diamonds in the Buff) doesn't mean that we can't disambig, and I still doubt there's enough to the "trope" to make a supertrope worthwhile. If it got really big, like say 20 tropes, I would say maybe consider converting to an index, but as is, I still say disambiguate.
My troper wallNo, I do think Grandefarao's got a point in that this trope could have its definition reworked into a supertrope to various other Fanservice outfit tropes. A list of said tropes could look something like this:
- Cleavage Window (if the window is large enough to show that there couldn't be a bra underneath
- Impossibly-Low Neckline (unless in cases that the character is wearing a strapless undergarment underneath)
- Intimate Open Shirt (if there's nothing underneath the shirt)
- Sexy Slit Dress (if the slit is high enough to the point that there's obviously no underwear underneath
- Sideboob
These tropes listed do have something uniting them- these tropes do feature the fact that there's obviousl no undergarments underneath the outer clothes, and that aspect adds the Fanservice. Therefore, Vapor Wear still holds tropable value, and even then, there are some other stuff that hasn't been made into its own trope already that could be listed here (such as clothes with slits in the hips, or clothing that is transparent, in the case that there's no undergarments underneath)
I'm thinking. This is in line with the topic of Vapor Wear; as I have an interest with fashion and fashion history, and with the concept of "underwear as outerwear" that started with Marie Antoinette's chemise dress that lead to Regency era women wearing high-waisted white dresses; men in the '50s wearing white t-shirts, and now the t-shirt is everywhere; and now there are talks of women wearing sports bras in the streets, and men wearing short shorts again, which trope would be best use the "underwear as outerwear", and underwear evolving into outerwear, be placed? Or should "underwear as outerwear" be a trope on its own?
Edited by alnair20aug93 on Apr 27th 2024 at 6:02:31 PM
ᜇᜎᜈ᜔ᜇᜈ᜔|I DO COMMISSIONS|ᜇᜎᜈ᜔ᜇᜈ᜔That sounds like it would be a sister tope or subtrope of Lingerie Scene, and best off as its own trope, as wearing underwear as outerwear and not wearing underwear at all are two distinct concepts
My troper wallLingerie as outerwear sounds like a missing sister trope to Walking Swimsuit Scene and Walking Shirtless Scene. I guess it's off-topic for this conversation but perhaps a TLP proposal should be made.
Going back to post 39, a supertrope still has to be meaningful in itself, and I don't really see this working as a supertrope, because I don't see enough meaning in and of itself.
My troper wallAs for post #43, there IS meaning in there. It's about something that connects all of those tropes together- it's about clothes that show there's obviously no underwear underneath being used as Fanservice. Heck, most of the tropes that I could consider Vapor Wear to be the supertrope to have really only remained tropeworthy by virtue of BEING Fanservice tropes. If it weren't for their Fanservice value, it's unlikely that they could remain tropeworthy.
If the tropes I listed have managed to remain afloat due to their Fanservice value, then Vapor Wear does deserve to stay to cover instances of Fanservice-y costume design where it's obvious there's no underwear underneath, but the exact manner of how the skin is exposed is not covered by any of the previous tropes listed.
Edited by DeadlyEspresso on Apr 27th 2024 at 1:48:54 AM
To that, I go back to the precedent of Does Not Like Shoes. There it was determined that even though there are multiple tropes about going barefoot, there wasn't enough tying them together to make a supertrope about them make sense. It was ultimately turned into a trope about explicitly preferring to go barefoot, which is not called a supertrope to the other tropes. Just because there's a concept tying a bunch of tropes together doesn't mean that said concept is actually tropeworthy, especially if there isn't a unifying reason for said concept.
To also quote People Sit on Chairs:
Just "going visibly without underwear" doesn't have any extra unifying theme that isn't already covered by Going Commando, while the tropes proposed as subtropes to it, do. If anything, I would propose they becomes subtropes of Going Commando and not Vaporwear.
My troper wallI’m a bit dubious about making those tropes subtropes of Going Commando, mainly because they are all appearance tropes, while Going Commando doesn’t have to be visible at all. In fact, the way Going Commando is often played in fiction is that it’s somehow revealed that a character is doing it, and it comes as a surprise to others, because their clothing wasn’t revealing.
As for having Vapour Wear as a supertrope, I’m not at all sure that we need a supertrope to those fashion tropes. Or maybe, if we need one, it should be more general, a trope for revealing clothing in general (and that trope’s not Stripperiffic, because that carries sexual connotations and has a somewhat disparaging name).
Edited by GnomeTitan on Apr 27th 2024 at 8:38:16 PM
Maybe not all aspects, but all of a subtrope's examples still have to fit the supertrope as well, which means all of a subtrope's aspects have to be covered by the supertrope as well. If they don't all fit the supertrope, then the subtrope isn't actually a subtrope.
Edit: Reworded because I misread at first and then reread it.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 28th 2024 at 12:33:11 PM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Yes, it's supertropes that don't need to conform to subtropes, not the other way around.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure PurenessPart of the point of a supertrope is that, if you don't know what subtrope an example goes under (or it doesn't exist yet), you can put the example in the supertrope and call it a day. So yeah, they don't work as subtropes of Going Commando.
There are already a few supertropes for those tropes anyway, though it doesn't look like all of them currently fit under a single supertrope. Not sure they need one. On the other hand, usage stats:
Since January 1, 2012 this article has brought 19,377 people to the wiki from non-search engine links.
Clearly people like the trope name, and I'd like to find something to do with it besides just disambiguating. Unfortunately, the usage is so all over the place I don't see anything better.
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It has been determined that Vapor Wear has an unclear definition; however, there is disagreement on what to do about it.
Do we have enough existing examples for a redefinition to work? Yarding the concept of sexually loose characters obviously not wearing underwear was mentioned earlier in the thread because we don't already have enough examples that specify that detail, so TLP would be needed to gather examples for that definition.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 23rd 2024 at 8:24:13 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.