Edit: I've created the index. So far I've added only those pages that have mandatory waiting periods already in effect.
It's been brought up in a few places recently (most notably in this ATT thread
) that we have a few tropes / Audience Reactions / etc. that have mandatory waiting periods before being added. The suggestion has been made— which I tend to agree with— that some sort of index to keep track of which tropes have waiting periods and what those periods are would be helpful.
Besides what's already on the index, we've got:
- Specific Mandatory Waiting Period Suggested:
- Critical Dissonance - Brought up here as being too early to call on release weekend. Fighteer suggests a one-month mandatory waiting period on all similar "reception tropes."
- Overshadowed by Controversy - a 6-month mandatory waiting period has been suggested but not agreed upon yet
- The Scrappy - Due to its close association with Base-Breaking Character and its status as a complaining magnet, has been suggested for a 6-month waiting period in this thread.
- Critical Dissonance - Brought up here
- No specific waiting period has been suggested, but adding it too early has caused problems:
- Eight Deadly Words - It was suggested here that the below should apply to this as well
- So Bad, It's Good - Fighteer noted here that the weekend of release was too early to apply tropes like these
- So Okay, It's Average - see above
- Eight Deadly Words - It was suggested here
Template tag for work pages:
%% Per Administrivia/NoRecentExamplesPlease, do not add [Trope] until [X] months/days/weeks after the episode's release (Month Date, Year).
Use this date calculator to add the amount of months/days/weeks in accordance to No Recent Examples, Please!.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NREP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 23rd 2024 at 9:41:59 AM
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Not at all. It's not as though someone must get an example down by then. It's the opposite. You just have to wait at least that long.
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The Man Outside Reality
Ah. I think I get it.
I guess it could work.
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One-Track Mind (he/him)
I propose that the "So X, It's Y" tropes (So Bad, It's Good, So Bad, It's Horrible, and So Okay, It's Average) are increased from 1 month to 6, to further combat knee-jerk reactions.
Edited by JHD0919 on Jan 5th 2024 at 1:31:36 PM
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Is there any evidence as to why the current one-month example would be considered too short?
Edited by mightymewtron on Jan 6th 2024 at 2:06:28 PM
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CondemnedByHistory.Web Original
- James Somerton emerged in 2018 amongst the growing interest in detailed video essays, and quickly developed a fanbase (…) All of this fell apart immediately however in December 2023(…)
Last I asked Character Perception Evolution which has the same 5 year wait since the original doesn't have a wait in the developments that cause the change. This makes me wonder if it should (Rescued from the Scrappy Heap has two wait, since becoming Scrappy and being rescued).
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I've locked the latest Crowner and will unhook it, as all of the votes have been closed for months now.
I'll look to start a new one in the next day or two.
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Just posting this here for completeness -
As part of the TRS cleanup for Nintendo Hard, a one month NREP rule has been added to that trope.
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Sophomore Slump feels like it needs a special version of the waiting period rule. To match with its sister Seasonal Rot, I think it should require 6 months after the installment that improved. So if season 1 is good and 2 is bad, then 3 is good, you'd wait six months after season 3.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Makes sense to me.
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
- First Installment Wins: When it comes to New Republic-era live-action TV shows, neither The Book of Boba Fett nor Ahsoka could reach the crowd-pleasing heights that The Mandalorian achieved at its peak.
The conversation for Frivolous Lawsuit petered out, so should I discard the sandboxes?
Edited by randomtroper89 on Feb 21st 2024 at 2:50:54 PM
There is an example for an ongoing series (still early in) I'm considering adding Chuck Cunningham Syndrome to.
How long does the character have to be inexplicably absent for it to count?
Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Feb 18th 2024 at 7:50:46 AM
Just a guy.
So I removed a commented-out note on YMMV.Suicide Squad Kill The Justice League that had Audience-Alienating Premise under a list of tropes that shouldn't be added due to No Recent Examples Please, since it is not under the index.
However, not long after I cut the note, I thought, it probably should be under the index. After all, the trope relies on a work being an objective failure that alienated audiences, but sometimes, works that may appear to have alienating concepts at first glance and/or flop early on can still gain legs over time and become a successful Sleeper Hit (Case in point, Winnie-the-Pooh: Blood and Honey).
So maybe it should be added to avoid knee-jerk reactions and see if a work has truly failed and alienated audiences, what do you guys think?
Edited by Tylerbear12 on Feb 24th 2024 at 1:22:26 PM
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
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I wouldn't be against that.
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I would suggest 6 months as a starting point.
Edited by Riolugirl on Feb 25th 2024 at 3:51:58 PM
"As long as I have my comrades with me, I can do anything!" (She/Her) (Current Focus: Cleaning Hell Is That Noise misuse)
The Man Outside Reality
I disagree. Not every trope needs a waiting period, and I don't see Audience-Alienating Premise in particular requiring one just because of the perception of one or two work changing over time. And certainly not for 6 months.
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Lots of coffee
Yeah, works that require critical reception can often get away with just a single month's time because they bomb pretty quickly, and the basis of AAP is that it's easy to tell why it bombed from the premise alone.
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Fair dos, bit of an overestimate on my part.
Although I remember there being a trope (Questionable Casting) with an NREP period of 1 week after release. That might make more sense.
"As long as I have my comrades with me, I can do anything!" (She/Her) (Current Focus: Cleaning Hell Is That Noise misuse)
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A month or so feels fair, though. I agree it doesn't need to be long, but we should have some evidence.
Box Office Bomb does have its own NREP rule:
Please do not add any examples which have not finished their initial theatrical run
...which is fine for film, but might need some amendments for other media types. At the very least, I think the work needs to be released with a 'chance' for people to see it based on reviews or word of mouth despite the premise.
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Do other media types qualify for Box Office Bomb? I know it's infamously difficult to get clear public numbers on whether streaming-exclusive films profit.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
and I usually only hear the phrase Box Office Bomb used to refer to movies - sometimes I hear video games called a "sales flop" or TV shows called a "ratings flop", so it might be a problem with the trope's title.
I would also like to suggest Divided States of America for No Recent Examples. Of course the US was briefly split during the Civil War but more recent proposals for states to secede are incredibly controversial, and the page seems like it's attracting some ROCEJ violations (it's also certainly getting very long). So I would suggest having the NRE cutoff at the end of the Civil War.
Because the top of First Installment Wins warns, "Examples shouldn't be added until six months after the third installment is released," last night I removed entries from the page in which the third installment doesn't exist. Would anyone like to help me clean up FirstInstallmentWins.Video Games?
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Is there a reason that item doesn't cover two-installment items? I thought the "third installment" part was just to account for potential Sophomore Slump with a third installment.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Wait...how does that work? I thought all waiting periods were about maximums.
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